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re: Confederate statues should NOT have been up in the 1st place
Posted on 8/17/17 at 10:41 am to Covingtontiger77
Posted on 8/17/17 at 10:41 am to Covingtontiger77
Do not fricking care. The majority of the things I read and hear are so skewed it's not even close to any sort of objective truth.
All of this is complete bullshite and a distraction from things that need outback attention.
All of this is complete bullshite and a distraction from things that need outback attention.
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Posted on 8/17/17 at 10:45 am to ShortyRob
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My take is that leaders of the losing side don't get statues.
So you don't understand the concept of honoring an honorable foe that you defeated? Or more likely you're just stupid and don't realize that there were honorable men who fought for the South during the Civil War. Just as there was some dishonorable assholes who fought for the Union. That's the way it goes.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 10:47 am to Lg
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Were the "FOUNDERS" British?
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John Adams was an American patriot who served as the second President of the United States and the first Vice President.
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Alexander Hamilton was an American statesman and one of the Founding Fathers of the United States.
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John Jay was an American statesman, Patriot, diplomat, one of the Founding Fathers of the United States, signatory of the Treaty of Paris of 1783, second Governor of New York, and the first Chief Justice of the United States.
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Thomas Jefferson was an American Founding Father who was the principal author of the Declaration of Independence and later served as the third President of the United States from 1801 to 1809.
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James Madison Jr. was an American statesman and Founding Father who served as the fourth President of the United States from 1809 to 1817.
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George Washington was an American politician and soldier who served as the first President of the United States from 1789 to 1797 and was one of the Founding Fathers of the United States.
Hmmmmm.....
Posted on 8/17/17 at 10:48 am to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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So you don't understand the concept of honoring an honorable foe that you defeated?
Missing the point.
The premise isn't even true.
There are statues of defeated people all over the world.
To include George Washington in Trafalgar Square.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 11:03 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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Hmmmmm.....
Thank God they won.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 11:17 am to Lg
Davis and Lee didn't.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 11:22 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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Davis and Lee didn't.
Ok. Are they still considered to be Americans?
Posted on 8/17/17 at 11:23 am to Covingtontiger77
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Lincoln really is to blame for this post civil war with his stance of letting the leaders and generals of the CSA off the hook in an attempt at "healing" the wounds of a nation- should have tried them for treason then there would have been no glorification of these people.
Wasn't Lincoln assassinated about a week after the war ended? How could he be responsible for the postwar policies?
This post was edited on 8/17/17 at 11:25 am
Posted on 8/17/17 at 11:32 am to Covingtontiger77
The confederacy didn't want to be part of this shitty us government. Nothing wrong with that. It fricking sucked back then and it still sucks today.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 11:33 am to ChewyDante
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So Lincoln should have handled reconciliation differently so that 150 years later we wouldn't have a statue controversy?
Lincoln wasn't around for the so-called reconciliation.
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In spite of the fact that it successfully created a unified nation, rather seamlessly?
Seamlessly? Are you fricking serious? Reconstruction was anything but seamless. Jim Crow was anything but seamless. We had to basically go through the same north-south pissing match, although without an actual war, 100 years later because of how seamless it absolutely wasn't. Anyone who is being honest with themselves knows that this fricking nation is about the furthest thing from "unified" that it could be without an actual civil war, and it's still to a large degree on that same old North-South battle front with race in the forefront. Hell, I wish y'all would secede again. You sure as hell wouldn't see my arse volunteering to fight to keep you.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 11:34 am to Lg
I consider them to be traitors to the United States.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 11:36 am to Covingtontiger77
The us govt are the real nazis. BOW DOWN and pay taxes with their steel boot on your throat. Try and leave and you are imprisoned or killed.
They shouldn't have agreed to form a union giving the states the right to secede if they didn't plan on ever letting them secede when they felt they were not getting a fair shake. fricking hypocrites. frick them.
They shouldn't have agreed to form a union giving the states the right to secede if they didn't plan on ever letting them secede when they felt they were not getting a fair shake. fricking hypocrites. frick them.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 11:43 am to Trauma14
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George Henry Thomas, November 1868
He and his family owned slaves. Get him the frick outta here.
(See how this works? It never ends.)
This post was edited on 8/17/17 at 11:44 am
Posted on 8/17/17 at 11:56 am to Covingtontiger77
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- Lincoln really is to blame for this post civil war with his stance of letting the leaders and generals of the CSA off the hook in an attempt at "healing" the wounds of a nation- should have tried them for treason then there would have been no glorification of these people.
Yep, Che Guevara was a traitor who was executed. No one glorifies him at all. Nope. Not even a bit.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 12:02 pm to ShortyRob
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Missing the point.
The premise isn't even true.
There are statues of defeated people all over the world.
To include George Washington in Trafalgar Square.
No, that is EXACTLY the point. George Washington has a statue in Trafalger square because he was an honorable man who fought an honorable war, and England recognizes that. On the other hand, Hitler does NOT have a statue in downtown London.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 12:04 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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I consider them to be traitors to the United States.
I couldn't care less what you consider them, only what American history considers them.
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On August 5, 1975, at a ceremony at Arlington House, President Gerald Ford called Lee an example to succeeding generations and had his citizenship restored.
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Posted on 8/17/17 at 12:05 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:Leaving anything off your list?
The South held up their end of the bargain, becoming some of the most patriotic citizens, most productive farmers and most reliable recruiting base for military volunteers in Earth's history in the intervening 150 years.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 12:07 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Leaving anything off your list?
I was focusing on their response to Yankee expectations of a return on their reconciliation investment - in other words, the reason Yanks pursued reconciliation was for those 3 larger strategic goals.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 12:09 pm to Ace Midnight
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I was focusing on their response to Yankee expectations of a return on their reconciliation investment - in other words, the reason Yanks pursued reconciliation was for those 3 larger strategic goals.
Your mistake is an attempting to engage a liberal in an adult manner. They are fools who need to be treated as such.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 12:09 pm to Covingtontiger77
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Lincoln really is to blame for this post civil war with his stance
Lincoln was dead post civil war!
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