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Confederate statues should NOT have been up in the 1st place

Posted on 8/17/17 at 9:35 am
Posted by Covingtontiger77
Member since Dec 2015
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Posted on 8/17/17 at 9:35 am
-I am MAGA....

-the Confederate statues were put up to give the finger to the US gov't;

-they were often erected during a time when State legislatures (especially in the South) were as racist as could be and still angry about the outcome of the war;

- Lincoln really is to blame for this post civil war with his stance of letting the leaders and generals of the CSA off the hook in an attempt at "healing" the wounds of a nation- should have tried them for treason then there would have been no glorification of these people.

Commence the downvotes

Posted by SouthernHog
Arkansas
Member since Jul 2016
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Posted on 8/17/17 at 9:36 am to
First DV
Posted by Salmon
On the trails
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Posted on 8/17/17 at 9:36 am to
but they are

Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 8/17/17 at 9:36 am to
quote:

CSA off the hook in an attempt at "healing" the wounds of a nation


So, at the time, it worked?
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
26569 posts
Posted on 8/17/17 at 9:37 am to
I don't disagree. But they are there, so move on.

I'm not for putting up additional statues, but when you start tearing down stuff that maybe shouldn't have been built in the first place, it's hard to stop.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
101189 posts
Posted on 8/17/17 at 9:37 am to
So, why are you just now pissed about it?

What are some other things you need to have people tell you to be mad about?
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
139677 posts
Posted on 8/17/17 at 9:37 am to
I downvoted even though you may be correct.

However, people shouldn't be surprised that other people wanted to memorialize their dead.
Posted by PrimeTime Money
Houston, Texas, USA
Member since Nov 2012
27295 posts
Posted on 8/17/17 at 9:38 am to
They seceded and had their own country. It's not treason.
Posted by Covingtontiger77
Member since Dec 2015
10149 posts
Posted on 8/17/17 at 9:38 am to
Not mad about them at all.

To be honest growing up in NOLA, I never gave them a second thought.

Couldn't care less.

But I'm open minded enough to see how they could be seen as offensive to a lot of people.

Now MAGA

This post was edited on 8/17/17 at 9:40 am
Posted by Breesus
House of the Rising Sun
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 8/17/17 at 9:38 am to
quote:

the Confederate statues were put up to give the finger to the US gov't


Good. frick the US Govt
Posted by Wolfhound45
Hanging with Chicken in Lurkistan
Member since Nov 2009
120000 posts
Posted on 8/17/17 at 9:39 am to
quote:

- Lincoln really is to blame for this post civil war with his stance of letting the leaders and generals of the CSA off the hook in an attempt at "healing" the wounds of a nation- should have tried them for treason then there would have been no glorification of these people.
Do you even history baw?

Posted by ItTakesAThief
Scottsdale, Arizona
Member since Dec 2009
9187 posts
Posted on 8/17/17 at 9:39 am to
Statues erected by democrats.

Now part of history.

Some such as the Obilisk in New Orleans should have been removed.

Others such as Lee were purely historical. Lee did not fight for or against slavery. He fought for his home state of Virginia.
Posted by ChewyDante
Member since Jan 2007
16913 posts
Posted on 8/17/17 at 9:40 am to
quote:

Lincoln really is to blame for this post civil war with his stance of letting the leaders and generals of the CSA off the hook in an attempt at "healing" the wounds of a nation- should have tried them for treason then there would have been no glorification of these people. 


So Lincoln should have handled reconciliation differently so that 150 years later we wouldn't have a statue controversy? In spite of the fact that it successfully created a unified nation, rather seamlessly? I'm going to let you reconsider how reasonable a complaint you think that is.
Posted by 9th life
birmingham
Member since Sep 2009
7310 posts
Posted on 8/17/17 at 9:40 am to
quote:

the Confederate statues were put up to give the finger to the US gov't;


I don't understand how this isn't obvious. People clinging to the Confederacy for the sake of heritage, are likely the same that criticize immigrants for failing to assimilate in the US.




Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
70709 posts
Posted on 8/17/17 at 9:40 am to
quote:

Lincoln really is to blame


Truth. I don't know about trying them for treason, although they were traitors.

It's apparent that Lincoln had never beat someone's arse before then. You don't shake hands and take them out for a drink right away. You rub that shite in so they know what's going to happen the next time they step out of line. Then handshakes and drinks.
Posted by Covingtontiger77
Member since Dec 2015
10149 posts
Posted on 8/17/17 at 9:41 am to
Lincoln's post civil war theory or plan of Reconstruction was instituted by Johnson.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Member since Sep 2004
67527 posts
Posted on 8/17/17 at 9:41 am to
quote:


-give the finger to the US gov't; 


Sounds like something many leftists would love to do right now.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89453 posts
Posted on 8/17/17 at 9:42 am to
quote:

-the Confederate statues were put up to give the finger to the US gov't;


Meh - there was a degree of reconciliation going on. Obviously, Longstreet tried, but was vilified by the Lost Causers. Lee spoke out on it. Beauregard and even Forrest participated in it.

There is a certain sentiment of a "worthy foe" - and as I've discussed before, many of the Lost Causers (who did win the late 19th Century war of ideas in the South) assuaged their wounded pride the "we fought the good fight" - which the victors were more than happy to accommodate. They knew they would need Southern manpower for agriculture and future conflicts.

The South held up their end of the bargain, becoming some of the most patriotic citizens, most productive farmers and most reliable recruiting base for military volunteers in Earth's history in the intervening 150 years.

But, yeah, go ahead and continue to endorse that Confederate monuments and memorials are 100% racist, oppressive and treasonous in intent. I don't dispute that white supremacists and neo-Nazis have glommed onto the symbology, but the South extant cannot be blamed for that, IMHO.
This post was edited on 8/17/17 at 9:44 am
Posted by Wolfhound45
Hanging with Chicken in Lurkistan
Member since Nov 2009
120000 posts
Posted on 8/17/17 at 9:42 am to
quote:

Lincoln's post civil war theory or plan of Reconstruction was instituted by Johnson.
Okay
Posted by TheFonz
Somewhere in Louisiana
Member since Jul 2016
20336 posts
Posted on 8/17/17 at 9:43 am to
Another way I am looking at the situation is this: whether or not you agree with a Confederate statue, in a lot of cases the statues themselves have become historical items - part of the landscape of the city. I would not have had as big of an issue with their removal if it had been put of to a vote, and not this nighttime cloak and dagger crap.
This post was edited on 8/17/17 at 9:45 am
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