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CNBC: Trump's Paris accord exit will save the environmental movement from itself
Posted on 6/2/17 at 9:47 am
Posted on 6/2/17 at 9:47 am
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The green movement in the U.S. and around the world has been off the tracks for decades mostly because of its faulty belief in globalist politics and big government as the solution to environmental challenges. In fact, big government and centrally-planned schemes like the Paris deal are the problem.
The first problem with the Paris deal is that, like an OPEC production quota, it's really hard to enforce and cheating is likely to be rampant. As many experts analyzing the agreement have noted, there are no explicit enforcement mechanisms in the accord. So nothing would happen to a country that even just ignored its contribution commitments. That leaves the countries that are more likely to adhere to the climate deal rules, like the U.S., at a distinct economic and political disadvantage.
It appears that the supposed triumph of the Paris agreement is that every nation coming into it publicly acknowledged the reality and challenges of climate change coming into the negotiations. Like so many other things in politics, words have become more valuable than deeds. And with no real mechanism to punish countries that cheat on this agreement, there's a chance that the Paris deal could lead to more environmental pollution, not less.
People who are really concerned with lowering emissions worldwide need to come to grips with the fact that international agreements where bad actors can't be effectively punished aren't the way to go. It may be intoxicating to see their activism rewarded with the pomp and ceremony of an accord like the Paris climate deal, but they're ultimately meaningless.
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Posted on 6/2/17 at 9:48 am to RebelExpress38
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Posted on 6/2/17 at 9:51 am to RebelExpress38
Things like this are obvious to anyone with a brain.
The Paris Accord actually allows the world's two biggest polluters to INCREASE THEIR POLLUTION LEVELS over the next 20 years.
How the frick does that help the environment? Can ANYONE explain that?
This deal was never about the environment. It was about giving smaller countries a handout to help them compete in the world economy PERIOD.
The Paris Accord actually allows the world's two biggest polluters to INCREASE THEIR POLLUTION LEVELS over the next 20 years.
How the frick does that help the environment? Can ANYONE explain that?
This deal was never about the environment. It was about giving smaller countries a handout to help them compete in the world economy PERIOD.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 9:52 am to RebelExpress38
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The first problem with the Paris deal is that, like an OPEC production quota, it's really hard to enforce and cheating is likely to be rampant.
And this is the formula for all Prog/DIM policies for the past 50 years.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 9:52 am to Tuscaloosa
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Lol, hey I will make a deal for you... Find me someone willing to foot the bill and cripple their personal financial situation AND pay me for doing nothing and I will show you a very long list of people waiting to sign up...
Posted on 6/2/17 at 9:54 am to Tuscaloosa
US is back to having a POTUS that's willing to take on the role of leader of the free world. No more following.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 9:54 am to Tuscaloosa
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Boy, I bet you are a hell of a follower! "Mom, I just want to be like everyone else!"
Posted on 6/2/17 at 9:55 am to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
It's like the Affordable Health Care Act, the Patriot Act, any stimulus package, etc. if it says it in the name it does it. Just shut up and take your raping.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 9:59 am to Tuscaloosa
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Countries not on Metric System:
Myanmar
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Posted on 6/2/17 at 9:59 am to Tuscaloosa
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Something tells me you would not be willing to give your neighbor X amount of dollars in order to make his yard as pretty as yours if the HOA said you had to. So, why should we pay out the arse for all our worldly neighbors, ratio wise, to be as "green" as we are?
Posted on 6/2/17 at 10:03 am to Tuscaloosa
I'd love to hear your logic on how an agreement with no ability to enforce rules is somehow the best way to combat it climate issues.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 10:05 am to Scruffy
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That doesn't make the deal any better for the USA and is simply an emotional ploy by those who the cognitive and argumentative skills to make a point.
If those are the only 3 who opted out/didn't sign, then why is the rest of the world in a giant fricking panic? There should be MORE than enough money to go around, right?
Posted on 6/2/17 at 10:06 am to Alt26
quote:Exactly.
If those are the only 3 who opted out/didn't sign, then why is the rest of the world in a giant fricking panic? There should be MORE than enough money to go around, right?
Posted on 6/2/17 at 10:14 am to Byron Bojangles III
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Byron Bojangles III
I will ask again (and you will no doubt ignore again)
How does a deal that specifically allows the world's two largest polluters to DOUBLE their pollution over the next 20 years help the environment?
Posted on 6/2/17 at 10:20 am to Tuscaloosa
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Posted on 6/2/17 at 10:35 am to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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The Paris Accord actually allows the world's two biggest polluters to INCREASE THEIR POLLUTION LEVELS over the next 20 years.
NOT having the Paris accord allows the exact same thing.....
How is abandoning it helping the ecology?
It's terms were 100% voluntary, how was not abandoning it hurting our economy?
Posted on 6/2/17 at 10:46 am to Sid in Lakeshore
If this paris deal is seen as the solution when it's actually not a solution, it prevents a better agreement from being put in place.
What makes you think countries that don't even uphold their NATO responsibilities are going to somehow come up with 100 billion with no checks in place to actually hold them accountable? Wouldn't it make sense to put a deal together where people will actually be held to their word?
I would bet that list of countries signed on would shrink big time if this were the case...
What makes you think countries that don't even uphold their NATO responsibilities are going to somehow come up with 100 billion with no checks in place to actually hold them accountable? Wouldn't it make sense to put a deal together where people will actually be held to their word?
I would bet that list of countries signed on would shrink big time if this were the case...
Posted on 6/2/17 at 10:49 am to Tuscaloosa
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Could you post these countries again? Only this time, attach the $$$ amount that each one would be expected to "contribute" under this agreement.
TIA
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