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CNBC: Trump's Paris accord exit will save the environmental movement from itself

Posted on 6/2/17 at 9:47 am
Posted by RebelExpress38
In your base, killin your dudes
Member since Apr 2012
13498 posts
Posted on 6/2/17 at 9:47 am
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The green movement in the U.S. and around the world has been off the tracks for decades mostly because of its faulty belief in globalist politics and big government as the solution to environmental challenges. In fact, big government and centrally-planned schemes like the Paris deal are the problem.

The first problem with the Paris deal is that, like an OPEC production quota, it's really hard to enforce and cheating is likely to be rampant. As many experts analyzing the agreement have noted, there are no explicit enforcement mechanisms in the accord. So nothing would happen to a country that even just ignored its contribution commitments. That leaves the countries that are more likely to adhere to the climate deal rules, like the U.S., at a distinct economic and political disadvantage.

It appears that the supposed triumph of the Paris agreement is that every nation coming into it publicly acknowledged the reality and challenges of climate change coming into the negotiations. Like so many other things in politics, words have become more valuable than deeds. And with no real mechanism to punish countries that cheat on this agreement, there's a chance that the Paris deal could lead to more environmental pollution, not less.

People who are really concerned with lowering emissions worldwide need to come to grips with the fact that international agreements where bad actors can't be effectively punished aren't the way to go. It may be intoxicating to see their activism rewarded with the pomp and ceremony of an accord like the Paris climate deal, but they're ultimately meaningless.



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Posted by Tuscaloosa
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Posted on 6/2/17 at 9:48 am to
Nicaragua
Syria
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Posted by HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Member since Feb 2017
12458 posts
Posted on 6/2/17 at 9:51 am to
Things like this are obvious to anyone with a brain.

The Paris Accord actually allows the world's two biggest polluters to INCREASE THEIR POLLUTION LEVELS over the next 20 years.

How the frick does that help the environment? Can ANYONE explain that?

This deal was never about the environment. It was about giving smaller countries a handout to help them compete in the world economy PERIOD.

Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
42514 posts
Posted on 6/2/17 at 9:52 am to
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The first problem with the Paris deal is that, like an OPEC production quota, it's really hard to enforce and cheating is likely to be rampant.

And this is the formula for all Prog/DIM policies for the past 50 years.
Posted by The Maj
Member since Sep 2016
27045 posts
Posted on 6/2/17 at 9:52 am to
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Nicaragua
Syria
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Lol, hey I will make a deal for you... Find me someone willing to foot the bill and cripple their personal financial situation AND pay me for doing nothing and I will show you a very long list of people waiting to sign up...
Posted by ScoopAndScore
baton rouge
Member since Oct 2008
11948 posts
Posted on 6/2/17 at 9:54 am to
US is back to having a POTUS that's willing to take on the role of leader of the free world. No more following.
Posted by Andychapman13
Member since Jun 2016
2728 posts
Posted on 6/2/17 at 9:54 am to
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Nicaragua
Syria
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Boy, I bet you are a hell of a follower! "Mom, I just want to be like everyone else!"
Posted by tiger7166
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2007
2616 posts
Posted on 6/2/17 at 9:55 am to
It's like the Affordable Health Care Act, the Patriot Act, any stimulus package, etc. if it says it in the name it does it. Just shut up and take your raping.
Posted by bamafan1001
Member since Jun 2011
15783 posts
Posted on 6/2/17 at 9:56 am to
Three Amigos!
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
39553 posts
Posted on 6/2/17 at 9:59 am to
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Nicaragua
Syria
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Countries not on Metric System:

Myanmar
Liberia
United States
Posted by Homesick Tiger
Greenbrier, AR
Member since Nov 2006
54202 posts
Posted on 6/2/17 at 9:59 am to
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Nicaragua
Syria
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Something tells me you would not be willing to give your neighbor X amount of dollars in order to make his yard as pretty as yours if the HOA said you had to. So, why should we pay out the arse for all our worldly neighbors, ratio wise, to be as "green" as we are?
Posted by RebelExpress38
In your base, killin your dudes
Member since Apr 2012
13498 posts
Posted on 6/2/17 at 10:03 am to
I'd love to hear your logic on how an agreement with no ability to enforce rules is somehow the best way to combat it climate issues.


Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
28241 posts
Posted on 6/2/17 at 10:05 am to
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That doesn't make the deal any better for the USA and is simply an emotional ploy by those who the cognitive and argumentative skills to make a point.


If those are the only 3 who opted out/didn't sign, then why is the rest of the world in a giant fricking panic? There should be MORE than enough money to go around, right?
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
72016 posts
Posted on 6/2/17 at 10:06 am to
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If those are the only 3 who opted out/didn't sign, then why is the rest of the world in a giant fricking panic? There should be MORE than enough money to go around, right?
Exactly.
Posted by Byron Bojangles III
Member since Nov 2012
51616 posts
Posted on 6/2/17 at 10:12 am to
Posted by HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Member since Feb 2017
12458 posts
Posted on 6/2/17 at 10:14 am to
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Byron Bojangles III


I will ask again (and you will no doubt ignore again)

How does a deal that specifically allows the world's two largest polluters to DOUBLE their pollution over the next 20 years help the environment?

Posted by Alabamya
Da Ham
Member since Jan 2009
9179 posts
Posted on 6/2/17 at 10:20 am to
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Nicaragua
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Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
41956 posts
Posted on 6/2/17 at 10:35 am to
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The Paris Accord actually allows the world's two biggest polluters to INCREASE THEIR POLLUTION LEVELS over the next 20 years.


NOT having the Paris accord allows the exact same thing.....

How is abandoning it helping the ecology?

It's terms were 100% voluntary, how was not abandoning it hurting our economy?
Posted by RebelExpress38
In your base, killin your dudes
Member since Apr 2012
13498 posts
Posted on 6/2/17 at 10:46 am to
If this paris deal is seen as the solution when it's actually not a solution, it prevents a better agreement from being put in place.

What makes you think countries that don't even uphold their NATO responsibilities are going to somehow come up with 100 billion with no checks in place to actually hold them accountable? Wouldn't it make sense to put a deal together where people will actually be held to their word?

I would bet that list of countries signed on would shrink big time if this were the case...
Posted by KCT
Psalm 23:5
Member since Feb 2010
38911 posts
Posted on 6/2/17 at 10:49 am to
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Nicaragua 
Syria 
United States


Could you post these countries again? Only this time, attach the $$$ amount that each one would be expected to "contribute" under this agreement.


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