re: California Single Payer Healthcare Plan Sails Through Initial Committee Test

If you scenario happens it will be funny to watch the back sliding claiming it's not fair that non-CA illegals are getting free health care.

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A 15% increase in payroll tax, which would be offset by the reduction in health insurance premiums, copays, deductibles. Sky isn't falling, champ.

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There is soooo much fail in this statement. That 15% is a BS number because by the time you have to over compensate for illegals getting a free ride and dividing that up among the working folk paying the tab...they will be looking for the feds to bail them out in a year. Add on top of all of that, the amount of business that will be run out of California by sheer economics, you will start to contract your tax based, while adding the flocking illegals to the fray. it sounds as real as believing Santa Clause actually comes down the chimney to give boys and girls presents all over the world in 24 hours.

Let them have it, the fail will be like watching a train wreck in slow motion from a far.

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Well, why not? If Trump and the Republican Congress can't put through a meaningful, comprehensive healthcare plan, why not do it on a state by state basis?

This will cover ALL Californians, including differently documented immigrants:

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Great!
Hopefully that happens!

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The various ports of California are the entry point for 40% of America's containerized goods. The port of export for 30% of goods. And responsible for millions of jobs from that supply chain outside the state. The two largest ports in the country operate their, you can't just replace that.

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Surely you aren't implying that the US would not be capable of reaching trade agreements with the People's Republic of California?

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A 15% increase in payroll tax, which would be offset by the reduction in health insurance premiums, copays, deductibles. Sky isn't falling, champ.

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Employers currently spend between $100 billion to $150 billion per year, which could be available to help offset total costs, according to the analysis. Under that scenario, total new spending to implement the system would be between $50 billion and $100 billion per year.

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If the state of Ca got all of the $$$ that employers currently spend on healthcare costs, the state would still need another $50-$100billion to pay for single payer. That means there would be no savings for employers, which means they will pass those costs onto their employees in the form of lower wages or their customers in the form of higher prices.

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Again, this doesn't happen in a vacuum, and it's what killed the idea in Vermont. Businesses leave, the middle class (continues to, in California's case) leaves, the healthy leave, the young leave, the old and sick and indigent move in, on and on.

If they go the route of Vermont (large businesses that operate in multiple states are exempt), then it's DOA.

I'm not an advocate for single payer, but single payer has to happen nationwide all at once, or it's not happening at all. A lot of players outside the state stand to gain from California's buffoonery if this goes through.

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there's a big difference between maple syrup mom and pops and the sixth largest economy in the world

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I wouldn't go that far. Mexico is investing heavily in their ports with Lazaro and Veracruz both poised to rival California's capacity in the coming years. Companies such as my own are already beginning to short sea and send units across the border due to congestion at U.S. ports. Mexico's trade deals with South America make it an even more appealing prospect. Tack another 15% cost of doing business in California and I could see companies everywhere accelerating plans to ship more through ole Mexico way.

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That is one feasible route. It seems given Trump's positions on Mexico trade and the volatility in Mexico itself, you would be incurring some sort of net increase in supply chain costs for imported and exported goods if America went that route in a hypothetical. Not to mention lose and shift a lot of jobs in the process.

But again, this is all kinda silly. California is not going anywhere. It is a dumb idea by people that truly did suffer from Trump derangement.

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et the FedGov supply basic block grants for healthcare to each individual state,

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The FedGov should not be having the cash to provide block grants in the first place, the states should be taxing for health care.

This is a major problem in our nation, FedGov needs out of most of what it is involved in, not collecting money to blackmail states in what is not its mission.

I believe it depends on if you count TEUs (i.e. containers) or tonnage (short ton = 2,000 pounds). Los Angeles is leader in TEUs, while the Port of South Louisiana is leader in tonnage (294,913,884 short tons for 2016).

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Absolutely...let the states do their own thing