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Build that Wall. ASAP!

Posted on 6/22/17 at 9:45 am
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
34856 posts
Posted on 6/22/17 at 9:45 am
With nearly 23,000 intentional homicides in 2016, Mexico's murder tally was second only to war-torn Syria's 60,000, said Antonio Sampaio, one of the authors of the International Institute for Strategic Studies' "Armed Conflict Survey 2017".

So when Trump throws MS-13/Drug Cartel Members out, they can't come back. Gonna get real ugly down there...real fast.

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Posted by Abadeebadaba
LSU fan @ FSU
Member since Sep 2010
4983 posts
Posted on 6/22/17 at 9:48 am to
Mexico being a failed Narco state is their fault solely. I do feel bad for their citizens that live in fear of the cartels. But, I don't see anyone lifting a finger to do anything, except fight the legal battles of people being deported from the U.S.
Posted by CoachChappy
Member since May 2013
32503 posts
Posted on 6/22/17 at 9:49 am to
We seriously should just annex Mexico. We already built a southern border wall there.
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
34856 posts
Posted on 6/22/17 at 9:58 am to
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Mexico being a failed Narco state is their fault solely. I do feel bad for their citizens that live in fear of the cartels. But, I don't see anyone lifting a finger to do anything, except fight the legal battles of people being deported from the U.S.


I suspect that many Mexican folk, wink and nod and take the drug money that the stupid 'Gringos' pay for their sickness. So do the Government Authorities who realize that without that income...they will suffer blame for their Citizen's prosperity.

It's is said that "money is the mother's milk of politics", and that is true, in one sense. Because enough money can either buy Politicians, Civil Authorities and powerful Individuals who would intellectually challenge their dominance...or they can buy ruthless rogues who will threaten/kill any who become legit opposition.

To the degree that drug money/culture is tolerated, Society ultimately suffers. Trump is right to lock that Border down, and cut off the Cartel's influence down there. No other way really. Civil War nws.
Posted by Bham4Tide
In a Van down by the River
Member since Feb 2011
22083 posts
Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:22 am to
You know, I'm actually having second thoughts about the wall. I'm a pretty conservative guy too.

More security certainly, more sections of the border having a structure to stop people coming here illegally TO STAY, sure. But a huge thing just to keep out one set of people, I dunno man. It just doesn't seem right.

It just isn't . . . us.

We have to make Mexico more accountable. Period.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
56342 posts
Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:26 am to
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It just isn't . . . us.



That's dumb.
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
34856 posts
Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:42 am to
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You know, I'm actually having second thoughts about the wall. I'm a pretty conservative guy too. More security certainly, more sections of the border having a structure to stop people coming here illegally TO STAY, sure. But a huge thing just to keep out one set of people, I dunno man. It just doesn't seem right. It just isn't . . . us. We have to make Mexico more accountable. Period.


Times change, Bh. I'm not sure we still are - or can afford to be - the "us" that you allude to. The basic argument being one of either having a door on your home...or not. The door being to monitor and discern who is knocking, before welcoming them in.

Re making Mexico more accountable...impossible, while the Cartels have more money to affect Politics - and more so, the Civil Authority - than does the basic economy/working folk down there. As long as that is the scenario, the status quo remains. It's like expecting NK to become more accountable, while Fatboy runs the show. Won't happen. He is sick, and evil. So are the Cartels. "Accountability" will be hammered.

Posted by TigerGman
Center of the Universe
Member since Sep 2006
11173 posts
Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:44 am to
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they can't come back.


You really believe this?
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
34856 posts
Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:58 am to
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You really believe this?


Absolutely, TG. High tech makes ID tamper proof. And passing simple Laws like "Kate's Law" with substantial MANDATORY FEDERAL time for any felon who comes back across the Border will throw a wrench in the whole return machine. It either Rule of Law...or virulent growth toward anarchy of the which is now manifest across our Border.

Sad but true. It may be merciful to take in individuals who are problematic in many ways...but there will be negative consequences on the folk who open their door. Think Europe, and their Immigration problem. Pour cold water in hot...and you get lukewarm.

Posted by TigerGman
Center of the Universe
Member since Sep 2006
11173 posts
Posted on 6/22/17 at 11:40 am to
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Absolutely, TG.


Well I hope you're right. I just think with as much money as is at stake--where there's a will there's a way...
Posted by 9th life
birmingham
Member since Sep 2009
7310 posts
Posted on 6/22/17 at 11:51 am to
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Build that Wall. ASAP!


well now that the day one stuff of fixing healthcare is out of the way, I'm sure the administration will hop right on it.
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
34856 posts
Posted on 6/22/17 at 12:39 pm to
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I'm sure the administration will hop right on it.


Oh, Trump has been "on it", 9. He delegates somebody to handle it, and lays down the parameters...and the consequences for failure to git'r done too, I'm sure.

Such being...beautiful, innovative, functional/efficient and cost effective. They are going to put Solar panels all over that thing, that will let the Company who installs them get paid. Brilliant.

We have some of the MOST creative minds in this World. All that needs to happen is to support them, and turn them loose. Damn the affirmative action, cronyism and social/political engineering as a basis for being hired. This Economy is poised to take off like a rocket if Trump can overcome the REAL Obstruction up there. And that will be great for ALL Americans.

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