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re: Biggest political mistake in history, in your opinion
Posted on 6/16/17 at 8:25 am to WhiskeyPapa
Posted on 6/16/17 at 8:25 am to WhiskeyPapa
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Having the people elect senators seems a natural progression.
It does to those uneducated on our nation's founding. The idea was that each state was sovereign and able to determine its destiny by keeping its leaders close to its free citizens. The federal government was to provide for common monetary system, defense, and commerce. Thus, the states had a huge stake in federal decisions. Thr Congress was setup to represent both the citizens in the House of Representatives (e.g. the People's House) and the Senate represented the states (thus, the state legislature chose senators). The 17th Amendment not only took the states out of the picture, it also meant that large cities would dominate the senate due to their population size. This completely changed the nature of our federal government and is why it's rules now dominate nearly every aspect of our lives.
Posted on 6/16/17 at 8:35 am to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Read my lips.... No new taxes. George H. W. Bush
Posted on 6/16/17 at 8:42 am to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Cyrus trying to continually invade Western Greece.
Posted on 6/16/17 at 8:51 am to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
There are several:
Germans invading the Soviet Union.
Germans choosing to waste time trying to take Stalingrad when it had no strategic significance.
Germans declaring war on the United States (the only formal declaration of war that Hitler made).
Bay of Pigs failed invasion of Cuba.
Gulf of Tonkin Resolution and the subsequent escalation of US involvement in Vietnam. The Vietnam War would undermine the LBJ Presidency.
The Watergate Scandal destroyed Nixon, who otherwise would have had a pretty good Presidency when looking back at it.
George H.W. Bush - "Read my lips, no new taxes." and the subsequent raising of taxes. That along with his belief that the success of the Gulf War would be enough to get him the win, would be his downfall.
And finally, Hillary Clinton's failure to recognize that the "blue wall" was collapsing and decision not to dedicate more time in states like Wisconsin, Michigan, Iowa, Pennsylvania, and Ohio in the last few weeks of the 2016 campaign.
Germans invading the Soviet Union.
Germans choosing to waste time trying to take Stalingrad when it had no strategic significance.
Germans declaring war on the United States (the only formal declaration of war that Hitler made).
Bay of Pigs failed invasion of Cuba.
Gulf of Tonkin Resolution and the subsequent escalation of US involvement in Vietnam. The Vietnam War would undermine the LBJ Presidency.
The Watergate Scandal destroyed Nixon, who otherwise would have had a pretty good Presidency when looking back at it.
George H.W. Bush - "Read my lips, no new taxes." and the subsequent raising of taxes. That along with his belief that the success of the Gulf War would be enough to get him the win, would be his downfall.
And finally, Hillary Clinton's failure to recognize that the "blue wall" was collapsing and decision not to dedicate more time in states like Wisconsin, Michigan, Iowa, Pennsylvania, and Ohio in the last few weeks of the 2016 campaign.
Posted on 6/16/17 at 8:52 am to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Withholding Taxes from paychecks.
If the people had to cut a check every quarter, they would expect more restraint and fiscal responsibility out of their government.
If the people had to cut a check every quarter, they would expect more restraint and fiscal responsibility out of their government.
Posted on 6/16/17 at 8:54 am to Bumble Bee
Germany and Russia's decision to fight in WWI.
Posted on 6/16/17 at 10:36 am to SlackMaster
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Having the people elect senators seems a natural progression.
It does to those uneducated on our nation's founding.
I know a little bit about that; The Framers didn't trust the common people with power, hence the Electoral College. Having the state legislatures pick the senators was just a way for the fat cats in a state to keep power that rightly should belong to the people.
1858:
"On election day, the voters of Illinois chose members of the state legislature who in turn reelected Douglas to the Senate in January 1859. Although Lincoln lost, the Republicans received more popular votes than the Democrats, signaling an important shift in the political character of the state. Moreover, Lincoln had gained a reputation throughout the North. He was invited to campaign for Republican candidates in other states and was now mentioned as a candidate for the presidency. In winning, Douglas further alienated the Buchanan administration and the South, was soon to be stripped of his power in the Senate, and contributed to the division of the Democratic party."
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Posted on 6/16/17 at 10:46 am to cwill
America's Greatest President, Calvin Coolidge, made a grave mistake by not running for re-election in 1928. He wins in a landslide if he does and The Great Depression is not as great, and we never get FDR and his socialist policies and 24 straight years of Democratic rule that ruined this country's future.
Alfred Smith would not have run for President in 1928 against Coolidge, and FDR would not have won the governorship of NY if Smith would not have run for President. FDR parlayed a slim win in the governor's race, the Great Depression, and a "Anyone but Hoover" mindset into 4 terms as President.
May have avoided WW2 as well.
Alfred Smith would not have run for President in 1928 against Coolidge, and FDR would not have won the governorship of NY if Smith would not have run for President. FDR parlayed a slim win in the governor's race, the Great Depression, and a "Anyone but Hoover" mindset into 4 terms as President.
May have avoided WW2 as well.
This post was edited on 6/16/17 at 10:52 am
Posted on 6/16/17 at 10:50 am to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Jefferson Davis and R Lee choosing to march on the Union instead of solidifying defensive positions around Vicksburg and Richmond.
Judas Iscariot betraying Jesus. Whether you believe it happened or not, that guy made a shite mistake. His name has forever been associated with betrayer and backstabber. Also, it was a political move. Judas was most likely a Zealot, who wanted to overthrow Roman rule. When it became apparent Jesus was not going to do that, he was ready to take his money and run.
Judas Iscariot betraying Jesus. Whether you believe it happened or not, that guy made a shite mistake. His name has forever been associated with betrayer and backstabber. Also, it was a political move. Judas was most likely a Zealot, who wanted to overthrow Roman rule. When it became apparent Jesus was not going to do that, he was ready to take his money and run.
Posted on 6/16/17 at 10:53 am to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
"Read my lips: no new taxes."
The north didn't want the slaves to be counted at all. It was 3/5ths or nothing. Would you have preferred the slaves not have been counted entirely for representation in the House of Representatives?
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Also, southerners demanding the 3/5ths compromise sure came back to bite them in the arse.
The north didn't want the slaves to be counted at all. It was 3/5ths or nothing. Would you have preferred the slaves not have been counted entirely for representation in the House of Representatives?
Posted on 6/16/17 at 11:55 am to WhiskeyPapa
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Having the state legislatures pick the senators was just a way for the fat cats in a state to keep power that rightly should belong to the people.
The people already have representatives in Congress. Senators were intended to represent the interests of the several states, not the people.
Posted on 6/16/17 at 12:12 pm to Antonio Moss
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Having the state legislatures pick the senators was just a way for the fat cats in a state to keep power that rightly should belong to the people.
The people already have representatives in Congress. Senators were intended to represent the interests of the several states, not the people.
Looks like you are right.
"In this spirit it may be remarked, that the equal vote allowed to each state, is at once a constitutional recognition of the portion of sovereignty remaining in the individual states, and an instrument for preserving that residuary sovereignty. . . ."
James Madison, Federalist 62, 1787
Posted on 6/16/17 at 12:13 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Federal Reserve Act of 1913
Posted on 6/16/17 at 12:30 pm to anc
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America's Greatest President, Calvin Coolidge, made a grave mistake by not running for re-election in 1928. He wins in a landslide if he does and The Great Depression is not as great, and we never get FDR and his socialist policies and 24 straight years of Democratic rule that ruined this country's future.
FDR, Lincoln and Washington are the three greatest Americans. Whoever is fourth - I say John Adams, is well below these three.
THE AIRCRAFT MEETING
On Monday, November 14, 1938 President Roosevelt summoned a number of key military advisers to what Eric Hammel has called possibly the most important single meeting in modern world history. The president wanted a large force of -offensive- airplanes. The Air Corps had 12 working strategic bombers and several hundred tactical bombers of dubious utility. FDR told his advisers he wanted 20,000 Army Air Corps aircraft in service and a capacity to build 24,000 a year. For the day these numbers were simply fantastic."
This was just a few weeks after The Brits and French sold out the Czechs and all of Europe. It was remarkably foresighted and prescient of FDR.
By 1945 there were over 500,000 men and 40 heavy bombardment groups in Europe totaling over 2,000 B-17s and B-24s. That was just in the 8th Air Force. There was a total of 20 numbered air forces.
It is really amazing. Our war planners targeted island for invasion, by troops not yet enlisted to be seized from ships not built supported by aircraft still on the drawing board. FDR made all that go.
FDR was a giant.
This post was edited on 6/16/17 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 6/16/17 at 12:32 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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Biggest political mistake in history, in your opinion
Not taking over Russia immediately after Japan surrendered.
Posted on 6/16/17 at 12:33 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Posted on 6/16/17 at 12:38 pm to Eli Goldfinger
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Biggest political mistake in history, in your opinion
Not taking over Russia immediately after Japan surrendered.
That was completely impossible. So it doesn't count. By 1945 the Red Army was a very efficient fighting force not to be trifled with.
Posted on 6/16/17 at 1:07 pm to WhiskeyPapa
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By 1945 the Red Army was a very efficient fighting force not to be trifled with.
A very efficient fighting force rolling on American trucks, built with American steel, fueled by American diesel, clothed with American textiles, and fed with American canned goods. If we had cut them off from our supplies, surprise attacked their army in Berlin, and took immediate air superiority over the skies, how long would that "efficient fighting force" hold up against the combined industrial, logistical, and military might of the allies?
This post was edited on 6/16/17 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 6/16/17 at 1:30 pm to kingbob
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By 1945 the Red Army was a very efficient fighting force not to be trifled with.
A very efficient fighting force rolling on American trucks, built with American steel, fueled by American diesel, clothed with American textiles, and fed with American canned goods. If we had cut them off from our supplies, surprise attacked their army in Berlin, and took immediate air superiority over the skies, how long would that "efficient fighting force" hold up against the combined industrial, logistical, and military might of the allies?
They whupped the frick out of the Germans. Plus the Soviets were "our gallant Russian Allies." Didn't you see Casablanca?
Crazy old George Patton (one of my heroes) wanted to go toe to toe with the Russkies but it would certainly have been Orwellian to seamlessly go from bombing Japan to bombing the Red Army.
Plus - how could that be the biggest political mistake in history since we backed the Soviets down with a basically bloodless victory for us?
This post was edited on 6/16/17 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 6/16/17 at 1:48 pm to WhiskeyPapa
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Plus - how could that be the biggest political mistake in history since we backed the Soviets down with a basically bloodless victory for us?
Nearly 50 years of bloodshed and economic destruction in Eastern Europe and Central Asia and in USSR-backed allied nations all around the world is hardly "bloodless". Just look at all of the American casualties in Vietnam and Korea. Look at the famines caused by communist regimes in China, Ethiopia, and Cambodia. So many countless millions killed all "for the greater good" of Communism. I do not question whether or not a defeat of the Soviet Union by allied forces at the end of WWII would have been beneficial for the world. It no doubt would have been. I only question the capability and will power in the allies to physically accomplish such a feat.
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