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Posted on 8/12/14 at 8:15 am to DelU249
Maria Theresa
Philip II
Basil Porphyrogenitus
Constantine
Just to name a few
Philip II
Basil Porphyrogenitus
Constantine
Just to name a few
Posted on 8/12/14 at 8:27 am to TN Bhoy
Lenin
Posted on 8/12/14 at 8:29 am to Ralph_Wiggum
by no way do I think Stalinism is a good option, but stalin industrialized Russia...and I don't think lenin could have done what he did
Posted on 8/12/14 at 11:57 am to DelU249
Cincinnatus.
A good dictator.
A good dictator.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 1:14 pm to DelU249
Caesar
Posted on 8/12/14 at 1:18 pm to Doc John
Pinochet of Chile
Lee Kuan Yew of Singapore
Deng Xiao Ping of China
Whoever ran Korea prior to the 80s.
The current president of Rwanda
Lee Kuan Yew of Singapore
Deng Xiao Ping of China
Whoever ran Korea prior to the 80s.
The current president of Rwanda
Posted on 8/12/14 at 1:28 pm to DelU249
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To expand: peter built Russia's navy, essentially taking his play navy from childhood into a real one. He spent time traveling Europe in disguise and learning shipbuilding and learning western culture for adoption in Russia. He built a new capital on a desolate swamp and moved muscovite society there. He was a believer in self determination and didn't care where you came from so long as you were the best. Not that it has anything to do with anything, but he was 6'4 1/2 as an 18th century man...just an interesting man, and definitely left Russia far better off than it was before his reign.
Definitely near the top of any list. Catherine wasn't so bad either. I'd throw in Solomon, several of Rome's earlier Dictators (including Cincinnatus and Caesar, for a time). Frederick William II of Prussia (the Great) and to some degree his father also come to mind.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 1:40 pm to Navytiger74
Catherine killed the Romanov line... 
and wasn't she the one who moved the capital back to Moscow to curry favor with the nobility (since she wasn't Russian)
and wasn't she the one who moved the capital back to Moscow to curry favor with the nobility (since she wasn't Russian)Posted on 8/12/14 at 1:44 pm to DelU249
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Catherine killed the Romanov line
It was never substantiated that Paul I wasn't Peter III's son.
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she the one who moved the capital back to Moscow to curry favor with the nobility (since she wasn't Russian)
Pretty sure the Capital remained in Petersburg until the fall of the imperial family. ETA: It was briefly moved back to Moscow by Peter II from 1728-1732 (before Catherine came along).
This post was edited on 8/12/14 at 1:47 pm
Posted on 8/12/14 at 1:50 pm to Navytiger74
ah, peter 2 switched it back, then it moved again...however, I remember distinctly that it was Catherine who allowed the nobility to move back
Posted on 8/12/14 at 1:52 pm to DelU249
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ah, peter 2 switched it back, then it moved again...however, I remember distinctly that it was Catherine who allowed the nobility to move back
I had to wiki some of that. My memory isn't what it used to be. Russian took great pleasure in reminding me that Nicholas II and Wilhelm II were only 3rd cousins (though 1st by marriage).
Posted on 8/12/14 at 2:04 pm to Navytiger74
I also remember it was Catherine who allowed the nobility to dress more traditionally versus the peter imposed restrictions (I can't remember if he made them shave their beards entirely or shorten them but you get what I'm saying)
Posted on 8/12/14 at 2:05 pm to DelU249
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by no way do I think Stalinism is a good option, but stalin industrialized Russia...and I don't think lenin could have done what he did
And he did that by purposefully starving millions of peasants to death in Ukraine, Belarus, and Western Russia. All because he refused to admit that his policy of collectivization of agriculture was a failure. The Soviet Union could have industrialized without millions of deaths, but Stalin was all too eager to kill off people who might oppose his dictatorial rule.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 2:11 pm to pistolsfiring11
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The Soviet Union could have industrialized without millions of deaths
yeah, if the reds hadn't taken power. Under the circumstances imposed by the Bolsheviks, slave labor and starvation were the only way anything could get done. Would lenin have the stomach for it? who knows.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 2:17 pm to DelU249
Otto von Bismarck FTW
Posted on 8/12/14 at 2:21 pm to udtiger
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Otto von Bismarck FTW
Didn't really rule in his own right. He punked the Kaiser a couple of times, but Wilhelm put him out to pasture less than two years after he ascended to the throne.
Wilhelm wasn't such an effective Autocrat, however.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 2:22 pm to Navytiger74
I'm waiting for toddy to chime in with Ludwig II of Bavaria
Posted on 8/12/14 at 2:22 pm to RollTide4Ever
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Pinochet of Chile
Lee Kuan Yew of Singapore
Lee Kuan Yew's inclusion is somewhat questionable, but I can see why you'd include him. Both leaders helped shape my economic views though I'm less forgiving of Pinochet's transgressions.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 2:25 pm to DelU249
Scipio Africanus.
Marius.
Marius.
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