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Five0
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re: Ariel Castro punched Amanda Berry in stomach to force miscarriages

This guy was charged with the least amount possible to give him no bond. His brothers are "not currently charged". Stay tuned fellas. This shite storm hasn't even started sprinkling yet.


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Revelator
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re: Ariel Castro punched Amanda Berry in stomach to force miscarriages
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Mock Jesus much?



Unless I'm mistaken, the word," messiah" is not exclusive to Jesus. But you already know this and are just poking sticks.
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Vegas Bengal
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re: Ariel Castro punched Amanda Berry in stomach to force miscarriages
I have never heard it except in the context of Jesus and right wingers using the word to ridicule Obama.

mes·si·ah  
Noun
The promised deliverer of the Jewish nation prophesied in the Hebrew Bible.
Jesus, regarded by Christians as the Messiah of the Hebrew prophecies and the savior of humankind.
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Homesick Tiger
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re: Ariel Castro punched Amanda Berry in stomach to force miscarriages
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Vegas Bengal


To be fair , you left out the last definition according to Webster's: n. any expected savior or liberator of a people or country.

I'd say Rev is right and you're biased with your answer.



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I have never heard it except in the context of Jesus and right wingers using the word to ridicule Obama.



Ask a Jew if Jesus is the messiah?


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Antonio Moss
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re: Ariel Castro punched Amanda Berry in stomach to force miscarriages
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Suppose the couple was married and Amanda wanted him to punch her in the stomach to cause a miscarriage? Would her husband be absolved from punishment because Amanda chose to have her body pummelled and her baby expelled in the process?


No, abortions can only be conducted in an approved manner and by a licensed physician.


Mike da Tigah
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re: Ariel Castro punched Amanda Berry in stomach to force miscarriages
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abortions can only be conducted in an approved manner


Yeah, we know all about the "approved manner" in which life is taken in our approved killings. Seared consciences.

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No, abortions can only be conducted in an approved manner and by a licensed physician.




What is that approved manner because apparently there is little oversite and no hard and fast rules?


Antonio Moss
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re: Ariel Castro punched Amanda Berry in stomach to force miscarriages
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Yeah, we know all about the "approved manner" in which life is taken in our approved killings. Seared consciences.


I don't disagree. I was just answering his question.

I've said it before - abortion is the ultimate Catch-22 because it is morally reprehensible, most likely murder (definitely murder after about 7-8 weeks), and absolutely a net benefit to society.


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Antonio Moss
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re: Ariel Castro punched Amanda Berry in stomach to force miscarriages
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What is that approved manner because apparently there is little oversite


Hi, I'm government, have we met?

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and no hard and fast rules?


Meh, there are approved procedures developed by the medical community. Whether the abortionists follows them is another issue.


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TexasTiger1185
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re: Ariel Castro punched Amanda Berry in stomach to force miscarriages
If this is the question you want to ask then why the hell are you using these two people in your example?

She wasn't married to him, she wasn't dating him, he kidnapped her for 10 years in a sex dungeon. Seriously, you won't get answers to your question using them as an example.

Just ask the question with jane and john doe as your example next time.


rbWarEagle
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Member since Nov 2009
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re: Ariel Castro punched Amanda Berry in stomach to force miscarriages
I could come up with a equally reprehensible scenario that would advocate abortion but I don't have an agenda to push, so I think I'll save the theatrics for something a little less grey on the black and white scale.


Vegas Bengal
Member since Feb 2008
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re: Ariel Castro punched Amanda Berry in stomach to force miscarriages

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To be fair , you left out the last definition according to Webster's: n. any expected savior or liberator of a people or country.


To be fair, no it's not. At least not the first definition when I googled.
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I'd say Rev is right and you're biased with your answer.
I'd say you're crawfishing from an obvious dereliction of a commandment.


Homesick Tiger
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re: Ariel Castro punched Amanda Berry in stomach to force miscarriages
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Vegas Bengal


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2. : a professed or accepted leader of some hope or cause.


This was two sites down from the one you listed. I didn't say you were wrong. I just think you didn't go far enough with your answer thus indicating that just maybe you weren't giving us all the examples cited. I'd suggest maybe something besides google next time for definitions of words.


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Green Chili Tiger
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re: Ariel Castro punched Amanda Berry in stomach to force miscarriages
You're seriously trying to tie this to abortion?


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Antonio Moss
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re: Ariel Castro punched Amanda Berry in stomach to force miscarriages
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I could come up with a equally reprehensible scenario that would advocate abortion


That's a tall order


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Revelator
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re: Ariel Castro punched Amanda Berry in stomach to force miscarriages
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If this is the question you want to ask then why the hell are you using these two people in your example? She wasn't married to him, she wasn't dating him, he kidnapped her for 10 years in a sex dungeon. Seriously, you won't get answers to your question using them as an example. Just ask the question with jane and john doe as your example next time.




Well the situation could have come up that she indeed didn't want to have a child from her rapist. And then she could have very well asked him to help her miscarry. And then we would have been left with the same question. Would the abductor have been charged for helping her to facilitate the miscarriage? So I think this scenario is perfect for a discussion and is better than a made up Jane Doe one.


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Revelator
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re: Ariel Castro punched Amanda Berry in stomach to force miscarriages
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I could come up with a equally reprehensible scenario that would advocate abortion but I don't have an agenda to push, so I think I'll save the theatrics for something a little less grey on the black and white scale.




Well I don't intend to let you frame the argument by saying being pro life is an agenda. I think that the situation is very clear cut, but society has clouded it up.
A woman choses to abort her child after 3 months, no consequences. A man injures the same woman and kills the child, and because the woman wanted the baby, the man is charged with infanticide. There is no consistency because there is no agreement about when life begins. With me, it is crystal clear.


Alahunter
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re: Ariel Castro punched Amanda Berry in stomach to force miscarriages
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an early death

My plans take days and days to develop


I once thought like that about people that commit those kinds of crimes. Then I realized, they aren't worth the effort. A quick lynching or execution is all they deserve, and then to be quickly forgotten, and never remembered.


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rbWarEagle
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re: Ariel Castro punched Amanda Berry in stomach to force miscarriages
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Well I don't intend to let you frame the argument by saying being pro life is an agenda.


It is an agenda.

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I think that the situation is very clear cut, but society has clouded it up.


No, it's not clear cut. In your mind it's clear cut because you believe in Christianity. Luckily, however, there are different ways of viewing the world. Not everything is as black and white as you wish it was.





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