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re: Are the Rosenberg executions the biggest miscarriage of justice in post WW2 US

I don't think he's back from Rouse's yet.


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I don't think he's back from Rouse's yet.



Or perhaps the topic has ceased to interest him.


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I don't think he's back from Rouse's yet.


I think he has a four hour shift tonight.
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1. Do you think it would have been better if the atomic bomb had never been developed?


No, it's ironically an instrument of peace. We will never see a conflict like WW2 because of it.


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Once developed, do you think it would have been better if the United States had remained the only nuclear power for at least 10 years, rather than 4?


Yes. However, with or without Julius Rosenberg, the soviets would have had the device when they did regardless. What was it 48, 49?

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3. Do you believe that Julius Rosenberg delivered classified information, illegally, to the Soviet Union during a time of declared war?


Yes, but information that was useless to them as far as developing nuclear weapons. I don't really care that much that he was executed aside from the fact he was given a sham trial. The prosecutorial misconduct is a matter of fact and is not debatable. Question to you now, do you think every American has the right to due process and a fair trial?

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4. Do you believe that had Julius and Ethel Rosenberg pled guilty, they would have been spared the death penalty?


We'll never know. I do know that had he done that, Ethel Rosenberg would have lived. I've thought for a number of years that Julius is just as culpable for Ethel's murder, and she was murdered. The prosecution coerced false testimony from Julius' conspirators to get a conviction. Julius could've stopped it but that's pretty sick IMO.
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Actually I have a girlfriend, 3 pets and a ton of errands. I don't have all day to spend on TD, as much as I would, admittedly, like to.


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re: Are the Rosenberg executions the biggest miscarriage of justice in post WW2 US
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No, it's ironically an instrument of peace. We will never see a conflict like WW2 because of it.

Only when in the hands of identifiable, fixed entities such as countries. No weapon ever invented has failed to eventually make its way into the hands of those who wanted it. Now, we have entities that mix among the populaces of otherwise "innocent" countries. Even if the governments of these countries support the cause of said groups (Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Lichtenstein), their civilian populations prevent retaliation.

So, nuclear weapons, theoretically, in the long run, actually give an advantage to the unseen, unofficial terror cell powers of the world over the "super powers" that developed them to begin with. That is irony, not your above assertion.

The only solution that I can see is to threaten their unifying cause - i.e. Mecca. But again, you'd be annihilating millions of innocents if forced to carry that threat out, and to even make that threat would kinda sorta piss off the oil supply. Not good for public relations.


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re: Are the Rosenberg executions the biggest miscarriage of justice in post WW2 US
Whoa, now that's an entirely different topic.


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re: Are the Rosenberg executions the biggest miscarriage of justice in post WW2 US
I knew you'd say that. I was just disagreeing with your statement.

As for the Rosenbergs, you've already agreed that they committed treason. As such, and regardless of any missteps in the prosecution's case, you can't say that there was a miscarriage of justice.


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I can because Ethel Rosenberg was sent to the chair. My contention is not that Julius was given a rotten deal. He wasn't given a fair trial, his punishment was inconsistent with his conspirators. However, I'm fine with his ultimate fate. Ethel didnt deserve to die. She was innocent.


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You are failing to acknowledge his conspirators cooperated. He and his wife did not. They wanted to be martyrs probably bc that was the best answer.


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Their conspirators lied at the behest of the prosecution. Once again, I'm not really concerned with Julius but Ethel got the shaft.


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She didnt cooperate and wanted to die a martyr. It isn't nuclear science, Fox. By not cooperating she was aiding a spy.


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It isn't nuclear science


good one

Regardless if whether she wouldn't cooperate, the government shouldn't have prosecuted let alone execute her.


Good day folks


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Their conspirators lied at the behest of the prosecution. Once again, I'm not really concerned with Julius but Ethel got the shaft.

But you didn't confine your question to just her. You grouped them together, so to answer "Are the Rosenberg executions the biggest miscarriage of justice in post WW2 US?" No. Not even close. All bull shite lawyer's arguments aside, they were guilty.

So here you go, from the media archives:

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BOB CONSIDINE: She died a lot harder. When it appeared that she had received enough electricity to kill an ordinary person and had received the exact amount that had killed her husband, the doctors went over and pulled down the cheap prison dress, a little dark green printed job, and placed the stethoscope—I can’t say it—placed the stethoscopes to her and then looked around and looked at each other, rather dumbfounded, and seemed surprised that she was not dead. Believing she was dead, the attendants had taken off the ghastly strappings and electrodes and the black belts and so forth. These had to be readjusted again, and she was given more electricity, which started again a kind of a ghastly plume of smoke that rose from her head and went up against the skylight overhead. After two more of those jolts, Ethel Rosenberg had met a maker she’ll have a lot of explaining to do to.



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Last bit ill say, but I grouped them together because not only do I feel like Ethel was murdered but the trial in general was a sham and I find it scary that under any circumstances that could happen. (no matter how fricking guilty julius was) To put it in perspective, the people who perpetrated the mass murder of 11 million people were given a fair trial and they weren't even US citizens, while Ethel Rosenberg was for all intents and purposes murdered for being a communist married to another communist who was a spy.
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No, they were guilty.



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I was twenty in 1990 when La. kept changing the drinking age back and forth. I had to pay a $10 ticker for minor in possession even though the law had changed back to 18 since the ticket. That was a bigger miscarriage of justice than the execution of two spies.


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I love the smell of fryin' commies in the mornin'.


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