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Anti-Christian attitude cost Clinton the election
Posted on 1/4/17 at 6:32 am
Posted on 1/4/17 at 6:32 am
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This was certainly a factor. I don't think that lots of mainline Christians would have voted for Hillary anyway, but when you go out of your way to alienate them, this is self destructive.
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According to my calculations, if the same percentages of white evangelicals had voted Democrat and Republican in 2016 as they did in 2012, Clinton would have won Ohio, Michigan and Florida. (I was not able to find enough data to calculate what would have happened in Pennsylvania.). In other words, if Clinton had simply done no worse with white evangelicals in those states than Obama did in 2012, today she would be our president-elect. Why then did she do so much worse with those voters than Obama did, despite their similar political positions on social and religious liberty issues? For one thing, she did not even take the time to ask for their vote — which is surprising, given that this group makes up about one fourth of the voting population. At least Barack Obama tried to court the white evangelical vote. Beyond this dehumanization, my research also uncovered a Christianophobic belief, held by many, that conservative Christians should not be allowed to participate in the public square. One respondent spoke for many by saying that "Christian Right people can do what they want in their churches and homes, but not in the public arena." Couple that with other respondents' opinions that Christians are irrational, bigoted, ignorant, childish, anti-science and backward thinking, and we have a strong case that people with Christianophobia want to keep conservative Christians locked out of serious political conversation.
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The Republican candidate was known for breaking up two marriages and having had numerous affairs. He demonstrated a lack of knowledge about the Christian faith ("Two Corinthians," anyone?) and we had that videoof him bragging about his exploits with women. Some Christians may not have liked Mitt Romney's Mormonism, but no one questioned that he was a good moral man. This was a great chance for Democrats to play on Christian morality and win over a few white evangelical voters — they did not need many — to cinch the election.
This was certainly a factor. I don't think that lots of mainline Christians would have voted for Hillary anyway, but when you go out of your way to alienate them, this is self destructive.
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Posted on 1/4/17 at 6:42 am to Revelator
DEMs are not even trying to 'thinly veil' their antagonism toward Christianity or Judahism. THey openly court Islam only because it is more virulently anti-Chrsitian than they.
Regardless of what the modern hedonist society wants to believe, this nation was founded by Christians - or at least by people who had profound respect for them. Anyone who has an ounce of traditional values in their ethic knows this. The fact that they would eventually react with an overewhelming 'screw you' to those who have denigrated them for half a centruy is not surprising to me.
Regardless of what the modern hedonist society wants to believe, this nation was founded by Christians - or at least by people who had profound respect for them. Anyone who has an ounce of traditional values in their ethic knows this. The fact that they would eventually react with an overewhelming 'screw you' to those who have denigrated them for half a centruy is not surprising to me.
Posted on 1/4/17 at 6:45 am to ChineseBandit58
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The fact that they would eventually react with an overewhelming 'screw you' to those who have denigrated them for half a centruy is not surprising to me.
But you would think that in the political sphere, one side would at least not make any overt attempts to alienate so large a voting block?
Posted on 1/4/17 at 6:46 am to ChineseBandit58
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THey openly court Islam only because it is more virulently anti-Chrsitian than they.
too stupid to realize that the Islamic beast will eventually turn on them too
Posted on 1/4/17 at 6:53 am to TrueTiger
The regressive love affair with Islam is unbelievable. I really don't get it.
There are enough bad one out there to ruin parts of cities in Europe.
We are not compatible when they are allowed to immigrate in large numbers. We being Western culture. The two cultures can't coexist peacefully. Hell, they hate each other. We are easy for them to hate with our freedom and such. Why do they hate freedom?
There are enough bad one out there to ruin parts of cities in Europe.
We are not compatible when they are allowed to immigrate in large numbers. We being Western culture. The two cultures can't coexist peacefully. Hell, they hate each other. We are easy for them to hate with our freedom and such. Why do they hate freedom?
This post was edited on 1/4/17 at 8:33 am
Posted on 1/4/17 at 6:54 am to Revelator
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she did not even take the time to ask for their vote
This is the bottom line. She was lazy and felt entitled.
Posted on 1/4/17 at 6:55 am to ChineseBandit58
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THey openly court Islam only because it is more virulently anti-Chrsitian than they.
That is the most spot on point anybody on here has made since I have been on here.
Posted on 1/4/17 at 6:58 am to Revelator
Trumps took a pretty hard stance policy wise on abortion and what kind of Supreme Court justices he would appoint, regardless of his personal misgivings, that helped him a lot. And the media didn't hammer him over it because they focused on his personal shortcomings and character made a bunch of false accusations.
Many voters also realized this cycle is a culture war, not a policy or a moral election. This election to many was about stopping the advance of political correctness and the fascist actions of the left.
The American people turned out to not be as stupid as the liberal elite thought, and they still don't know why they lost. Nobody bought their bullshite
Many voters also realized this cycle is a culture war, not a policy or a moral election. This election to many was about stopping the advance of political correctness and the fascist actions of the left.
The American people turned out to not be as stupid as the liberal elite thought, and they still don't know why they lost. Nobody bought their bullshite
Posted on 1/4/17 at 7:01 am to ChineseBandit58
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DEMs are not even trying to 'thinly veil' their antagonism toward Christianity or Judahism. THey openly court Islam only because it is more virulently anti-Chrsitian than they.
Yep, it's the old: the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Dems are all about including every minority in the U.S. so they will persistently stand against the Christian moral majority which ironically is no longer a majority.
Posted on 1/4/17 at 7:01 am to deltaland
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Trumps took a pretty hard stance policy wise on abortion and what kind of Supreme Court justices he would appoint, regardless of his personal misgivings, that helped him a lot.
I don't think Hillary admitting in the debate that she was fine with killing a child at 9 months gestation period did her any favors.
Posted on 1/4/17 at 7:01 am to Revelator
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At least Barack Obama tried to court the white evangelical vote.
He did?
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"It's not surprising, then, they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them
Posted on 1/4/17 at 7:01 am to Revelator
quote:I've definitely witnessed this attitude, myself, and I don't quite understand the thinking behind it. Why should people who have a Christian worldview be excluded while those who have an Atheistic, Buddhist,Jewish, or Islamic worldview be included? It seems to be a Christian-specific judgement.
Beyond this dehumanization, my research also uncovered a Christianophobic belief, held by many, that conservative Christians should not be allowed to participate in the public square. One respondent spoke for many by saying that "Christian Right people can do what they want in their churches and homes, but not in the public arena.
Regardless, as has been said, Hillary's team dropped the ball all over the place so I wouldn't doubt that they felt the Christian vote was not worth the effort.
Posted on 1/4/17 at 7:03 am to Jake88
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It's not surprising, then, they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them
Didn't he say this post election?
Posted on 1/4/17 at 7:05 am to Revelator
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But you would think that in the political sphere, one side would at least not make any overt attempts to alienate so large a voting block?
THey have truly bought into the notion that we are really that deplorable - they think we have no value - that they can motivate a lot more of their supossedly enlightened brethren than offending us backwater ignoramouses who are too busy screwing our cousins and sisters to care.
They were wrong - gloriously wrong. And I am unchristian enough to wish them many years of wandering in the darkness.
What I truly want is two parties that are both devoted to what is best for America - who can debate political ideas honestly and abide by the results of an honest election. I want an end to identity politics where the essence of political strategy is to divide people based on ficticious grievances.
And yes, I could be considered a nationalist - a nuculeus of people founded a great beneficent nation - the greatest ever created - and spread/defended liberty and freedom around the globe. We welcome anyone from anywhere who shares our values. We should not welcome/tolerate anyone who is antethetical to our values.
"Diversity" is a stupid argument as a goal. Diversity is only valuable if the bad cultural examples are quranteened or allowed to die out and the good examples are allowed to thrive and excel.
Posted on 1/4/17 at 7:05 am to FooManChoo
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Regardless, as has been said, Hillary's team dropped the ball all over the place so I wouldn't doubt that they felt the Christian vote was not worth the effort.
I think the assumption was that she either had to go after the leftists, feminists, socialists vote or the Christian vote and she chose the former.
Posted on 1/4/17 at 7:08 am to roadGator
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We are compatible when they are allowed to immigrate in large numbers. We being Western culture. The two cultures can't coexist peacefully. Hell, they hate each other. We are easy for them to hate with our freedom and such. Why do they hate freedom?
The name "Islam" means "supplication". They are wired for blind obedience, not freedom.
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Posted on 1/4/17 at 7:12 am to Revelator
I'm fairly certain he said it at a fund raiser on the west coast during the campaign.
Posted on 1/4/17 at 7:13 am to roadGator
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Why do they hate freedom?
Islamists?
because it embodies everything they are not - it is the spark that opens the eyes to truth & happiness, and that would sink their oppressive society and class structure
Democrats? pretty much the same answer
Posted on 1/4/17 at 7:18 am to ChineseBandit58
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THey have truly bought into the notion that we are really that deplorable - they think we have no value - that they can motivate a lot more of their supossedly enlightened brethren than offending us backwater ignoramouses who are too busy screwing our cousins and sisters to care. They were wrong - gloriously wrong. And I am unchristian enough to wish them many years of wandering in the darkness. What I truly want is two parties that are both devoted to what is best for America - who can debate political ideas honestly and abide by the results of an honest election. I want an end to identity politics where the essence of political strategy is to divide people based on ficticious grievances. And yes, I could be considered a nationalist - a nuculeus of people founded a great beneficent nation - the greatest ever created - and spread/defended liberty and freedom around the globe. We welcome anyone from anywhere who shares our values. We should not welcome/tolerate anyone who is antethetical to our values. "Diversity" is a stupid argument as a goal. Diversity is only valuable if the bad cultural examples are quranteened or allowed to die out and the good examples are allowed to thrive and excel.
Nicely stated. Thank you.
Posted on 1/4/17 at 8:01 am to Revelator
She probably would have lost more voters than she would have gained by being polite to Christians which says a lot about today's society and the left.
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