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Annual "close schools" thread: It's time

Posted on 4/24/17 at 1:51 pm
Posted by Slippy
Across the rivah
Member since Aug 2005
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Posted on 4/24/17 at 1:51 pm
The legislature will never have the collective political will (i.e., balls) to close any colleges and universities. But can we finally admit that it's time?

I hate to say it (as a parent who has benefitted from TOPS), but if they were to get rid of TOPS altogether, some of the smaller, struggling campuses would eventually die on the vine and have to close. So why not save all that heartache, fully fund TOPS, and close and merge schools.

I realize these threads always devolve into nasty arguments, with people agreeing in principle, but always wanting somebody else's school closed instead of theirs (hence the political problem). I'm hopeful that we can agree, on this LSU site, that LSU is nobody's "pet school" and that it should be fully funded to Southern, if not national, averages.

Here are my suggestions -- and I acknowledge that there may be no real distinctions between "closing" and "merging" if you are shutting down a campus. Tough titty.

Keep and fully fund:
LSU
Tech
ULL


Merge:
ULM and Grambling into Tech
Southern into LSU
SLU with UNO (2 campii)
Northwestern with LSUS (2 campii)

Close:
Nicholls
McNeese
LSUA
SUNO

Eliminate 2/3 of community/junior colleges.


This post was edited on 4/24/17 at 1:55 pm
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 4/24/17 at 1:52 pm to
Close LSUE too
Posted by Cosmo
glassman's guest house
Member since Oct 2003
120160 posts
Posted on 4/24/17 at 1:53 pm to
Why do you hate science and education!!!! Rabble rabble rabble
Posted by Loungefly85
Lafayette
Member since Jul 2016
7930 posts
Posted on 4/24/17 at 1:57 pm to
HBCUs are untouchable no matter how much of a drain they are.

Posted by KillTheGophers
Member since Jan 2016
6209 posts
Posted on 4/24/17 at 1:58 pm to
You are on point - Louisiana needs:

Louisiana State University
Louisiana Tech University
University of Louisiana - Lafayette

I could understand an argument for UNO - as for the rest of them - sorry but the majority of the money needs to flow to LSU - about 60% then Tech and Lafayette split the other 40%.




Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
Bat'n Rudge
Member since Oct 2004
57128 posts
Posted on 4/24/17 at 1:58 pm to
quote:

Southern into LSU


One of those needs to be on your "closed" list, and it's not the one that starts with "L."

quote:

Northwestern with LSUS (2 campii)


I'd add LSU-A to this, but LSU would never go for this unless they were able to get LTU or UL-L added to the LSU system.
This post was edited on 4/24/17 at 2:01 pm
Posted by Slippy
Across the rivah
Member since Aug 2005
6567 posts
Posted on 4/24/17 at 1:59 pm to
btw....

I have advocated for years that each school should have to PROVE why it should stay open. What are your numbers... how many people from each entering class actually graduate....

Accepting dumbasses because other schools won't is NOT a business model.
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
52906 posts
Posted on 4/24/17 at 2:01 pm to
More like the annual "racist" thread
Posted by idlewatcher
County Jail
Member since Jan 2012
78888 posts
Posted on 4/24/17 at 2:07 pm to
quote:

Accepting dumbasses because other schools won't is NOT a business model.


It's still revenue even if they fail out; particularly out of state kids
Posted by Ronaldo Burgundiaz
NWA
Member since Jan 2012
6540 posts
Posted on 4/24/17 at 2:08 pm to
quote:

but if they were to get rid of TOPS altogether, some of the smaller, struggling campuses would eventually die on the vine and have to close.
I don't think so. Without TOPS, students would have to decide on where to attend college based on what they can afford plus what scholarships they have been offered plus other considerations (proximity to home, etc.). A lot of students that are going to LSU now, because of free money, would have to rethink their decision based on how much tuition they can afford at LSU vs Nicholls vs ULM vs etc.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
112400 posts
Posted on 4/24/17 at 2:15 pm to
Does Chalmette have a college?
Posted by TheFonz
Somewhere in Louisiana
Member since Jul 2016
20349 posts
Posted on 4/24/17 at 2:56 pm to
What about S.C.L.S.U.?

Go Mud Dogs!
Posted by anc
Member since Nov 2012
17993 posts
Posted on 4/24/17 at 3:08 pm to
I'm going to hop on this train for the Mississippi crowd.

Close
Mississippi University for Women
Alcorn State University
Mississippi Valley State University

Keep
Mississippi State University
Ole Miss
Southern Miss
Jackson State

Reorganize
Delta State into a joint venture between Ole Miss and MSU to serve the Delta.

Get rid of all sports at junior colleges.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
112400 posts
Posted on 4/24/17 at 3:11 pm to
quote:

Close Mississippi University for Women


Wait a minute. Isn't that the sister university of Miss College in Clinton? Those girls loved Zach when I visited.
Posted by AbuTheMonkey
Chicago, IL
Member since May 2014
7994 posts
Posted on 4/24/17 at 3:12 pm to
It's amazing to me that Louisiana has about the same number of public four year universities as Illinois with about 1/3 the population.

It's one of the few things that the state government in Illinois does well.

Wisconsin has the best model for public university education in America in my humble opinion. More states should do what they do.
This post was edited on 4/24/17 at 3:15 pm
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
112400 posts
Posted on 4/24/17 at 3:15 pm to
What amazes me is the number of Div. I football programs in Ohio. Hell, the Akron Zips??
Posted by Brosef Stalin
Member since Dec 2011
39152 posts
Posted on 4/24/17 at 3:17 pm to
I would keep McNeese and make it more of a trade school. Lake Charles is booming right now. Get a good petroleum engineering program there. Set up some ptech and welding programs too. Would be a boost to the local economy.
Posted by LSU12223
Member since Sep 2016
1482 posts
Posted on 4/24/17 at 3:21 pm to
quote:

More like the annual "racist" thread

I figured the race card would be pulled on this... makes no sense but figured it would. There is absolutely nothing that the OP said that pertained to race in anyway whatsoever.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
421286 posts
Posted on 4/24/17 at 3:25 pm to
quote:

I figured the race card would be pulled on this... makes no sense but figured it would.

i mean just to back up OP, that's pretty much what happened when the LA government discussed closing SUNO down
Posted by LSU_Saints_Hornets
Uptown NO,LA
Member since Jan 2013
9739 posts
Posted on 4/24/17 at 3:43 pm to
quote:

Merge:
ULM and Grambling into Tech
Southern into LSU
SLU with UNO (2 campii)
Northwestern with LSUS (2 campii)



What do you gain by merging these schools? Serious question. Doesn't the burden still remain?
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