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Andrew Sullivan - a little something for everyone

Posted on 7/21/17 at 2:52 pm
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
33299 posts
Posted on 7/21/17 at 2:52 pm
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Obama, in fact, was the conservative in all this — nudging and amending, shaping and finessing as American society evolved — while the GOP flamed out in a reactionary dead end. But Obama’s conservatism has nonetheless brought about an epochal, defining achievement for American liberalism: a robust American consensus in favor of universal health insurance. Yes, he could.
But also:
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The added problem with this war on nature is the backlash it inevitably incurs. There’s a reason so many working-class men find it hard to vote for Democrats any more. And there’s a reason why a majority of white women last year voted for a man who boasted of sexual assault if the alternative was a triumph for contemporary left-feminism. You can’t assault the core identity of most people’s lives and then expect them to vote for you. As a Trump supporter in Colorado just told a reporter from The New Yorker: “I’ve never been this emotionally invested in a political leader in my life. The more they hate him, the more I want him to succeed. Because what they hate about him is what they hate about me.” And one of the core things that liberals hate about Trump voters is their expression of their gender.
and then this:
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Look: I’m not in favor of boycotting Israel when we don’t boycott, say, Saudi Arabia. But seriously: making it illegal? Every now and again, you just have to sit back and admire the extraordinary skills of the Greater Israel lobby. You’ve never heard of this bill, and I hadn’t either. But that is partly the point. AIPAC doesn’t want the attention — writers who notice this attempted assault on a free society will be tarred as anti-Semites (go ahead, it wouldn’t be the first time) and politicians who resist it will see their careers suddenly stalled. I doubt a single sponsor of this bill will go on the record to oppose it (so far, none has). That’s how complete the grip of AIPAC is. And pointing out this special interest’s distortion of democracy is not the equivalent of bigotry. It’s simply a defense of our democratic way of life.
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Posted by Seldom Seen
Member since Feb 2016
39990 posts
Posted on 7/21/17 at 2:54 pm to
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Andrew Sullivan



Gay.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
33299 posts
Posted on 7/21/17 at 2:55 pm to
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Gay.
Yep, which he explicitly invokes as part of the reason he rejects all of this gender insanity of recent years.
Posted by Rover Range
Member since Jun 2014
2768 posts
Posted on 7/21/17 at 2:55 pm to
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Obama, in fact, was the conservative in all this — nudging and amending, shaping and finessing as American society evolved



:Jerry Springer exits room gif:
Posted by Iosh
Bureau of Interstellar Immigration
Member since Dec 2012
18941 posts
Posted on 7/21/17 at 2:55 pm to
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Ronald Reagan was in some ways the first to concede this. In 1986, he signed the law that made it illegal for hospitals to turn away the very sick if they could not pay for treatment. Once that core concession was made by the icon of the conservative movement — that the sick should always be treated in extremis — the logic of universal coverage was unstoppable.
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
35938 posts
Posted on 7/21/17 at 2:57 pm to
He is spot on about AIPAC. They would sacrifice every able bodied American male, except themselves and their families, in wars around the world if it benefitted Israel. Evil as frick.
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 7/21/17 at 2:57 pm to
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a little something for everyone

even the article title is trolltastic
Posted by dpd901
South Louisiana
Member since Apr 2011
7505 posts
Posted on 7/21/17 at 3:15 pm to
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He is spot on about EVERYTHING HE WROTE IN THIS ARTICLE.


FIFY :thumbsup:
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
421245 posts
Posted on 7/21/17 at 3:25 pm to
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And if universal coverage was unstoppable, the most conservative response to that change was … something very much like Obamacare. It was an incremental reform, it kept the private insurance market, and it attempted to create as big a risk pool as possible. No one argued it was perfect. But it adapted ideas from left and right into a plausible, workable synthesis. And yet the GOP — still fixated on abstract ideology — pretended none of this had happened.

the problem wasn't the GOP as much as the combination of (1) lies used to sell the ACA and (2) extreme cost increases to "innocent bystanders". the GOP didn't have any power when the ACA was passed and due to the effects of the ACA, they gained that power. his argument only relies on the abstract and not the actual reality of what the ACA actually did to the US
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
90472 posts
Posted on 7/21/17 at 4:20 pm to
The GOP had no input at all on the ACA. Dems locked them out of negotiations. It was a left wing reform that came up short of single payer because single payer wasn't popular and the insurance lobby is too powerful
Posted by Ralph_Wiggum
Sugarland
Member since Jul 2005
10666 posts
Posted on 7/21/17 at 4:23 pm to
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Ronald Reagan was in some ways the first to concede this. In 1986, he signed the law that made it illegal for hospitals to turn away the very sick if they could not pay for treatment. Once that core concession was made by the icon of the conservative movement — that the sick should always be treated in extremis — the logic of universal coverage was unstoppable.


What made Reagan different from most of today's conservatives is that he had compassion for people.
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