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Am I the product of a racist environment ?
Posted on 1/9/17 at 9:43 am
Posted on 1/9/17 at 9:43 am
I am a black man.
I grew up in an environment where I was told that you always will have to work harder in life versus whites in order to succeed. I was told that whites are always looking for reasons to incarcerate black people no matter how miniscule the crime. Meanwhile, whites almost always get a lighter sentence or none at all.
Whites do work hard, but alot of them come from wealth. And they get jobs and other benefits due to associates they know. So they don't face the same societal or economic struggles as blacks. As a result, they can put in less effort in maintaining success.
I was told that I would never be fully accepted even if I obtained better financial status due to my race. I would generally be seen as lazy and anti-law, even though those factors are not the case.
I was told these things by my community growing up. My parents instilled in me to respect everyone, which is what I do. And i grew up knowing that i would have to work for everthing, since i lack wealth, powerful associates, or privelege by birth. But I never held that against anyone, and simply study and work the best way that I can.
However, I wonder if this means my environment is racist to whites.
I grew up in an environment where I was told that you always will have to work harder in life versus whites in order to succeed. I was told that whites are always looking for reasons to incarcerate black people no matter how miniscule the crime. Meanwhile, whites almost always get a lighter sentence or none at all.
Whites do work hard, but alot of them come from wealth. And they get jobs and other benefits due to associates they know. So they don't face the same societal or economic struggles as blacks. As a result, they can put in less effort in maintaining success.
I was told that I would never be fully accepted even if I obtained better financial status due to my race. I would generally be seen as lazy and anti-law, even though those factors are not the case.
I was told these things by my community growing up. My parents instilled in me to respect everyone, which is what I do. And i grew up knowing that i would have to work for everthing, since i lack wealth, powerful associates, or privelege by birth. But I never held that against anyone, and simply study and work the best way that I can.
However, I wonder if this means my environment is racist to whites.
This post was edited on 1/9/17 at 9:44 am
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Posted on 1/9/17 at 9:45 am to volod
Biased as to race, but probably not racist.
Unless the assumptions are the product of some belief that whites are inherently bad or inferior, in which case it may be a legit racist environment.
Unless the assumptions are the product of some belief that whites are inherently bad or inferior, in which case it may be a legit racist environment.
Posted on 1/9/17 at 9:45 am to volod
Your parents sound like idiots for leading you to think you aren't equal.
Guess it's true what they say about the apple not falling far from the tree.
Guess it's true what they say about the apple not falling far from the tree.
Posted on 1/9/17 at 9:47 am to volod
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alot of them come from wealth. And they get jobs and other benefits due to associates they know.
I've heard this said about Jews.
Posted on 1/9/17 at 9:47 am to volod
That generally sounds like a good upbringing in how to treat people and how to have a good work ethic.
But the "racist" part comes in when you use terminology like:
I don't think your community is racist but it's certainly not colorblind
But the "racist" part comes in when you use terminology like:
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versus whites
I don't think your community is racist but it's certainly not colorblind
This post was edited on 1/9/17 at 9:48 am
Posted on 1/9/17 at 9:47 am to stout
That's what you took away from this?
Posted on 1/9/17 at 9:48 am to volod
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. As a result, they can put in less effort in maintaining success.
You have it wrong. Success necessitates increased effort for maintenance. Do you see Apple coasting on the original iPod?
Posted on 1/9/17 at 9:48 am to volod
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I am a black man
By Dem logic (yeah I know), you can't be racist.
quote:
Am I the product of a racist environment?
Racist? Probably not
Perpetual victim? Probably but maybe justified to a degree
Posted on 1/9/17 at 9:48 am to volod
Have you found these lessons to be pretty much accurate?
Posted on 1/9/17 at 9:49 am to volod
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However, I wonder if this means my environment is racist to whites.
Maybe a little, but that was the sentiment of many black folks who came up in the 50's. My best friend growing up was black. We spent a lot of time in each other's houses. Our parents preached the same message: work hard and get rewarded/nobody owes you anything. You have to work to get ahead. Last, focus on being a good person and the rest will fall into place.
I honestly grew up thinking racism was something we learned about in our history books until I got older and a bit more worldly. It's actually sad looking back and typing this out now. The world seemed simpler.
This post was edited on 1/9/17 at 9:51 am
Posted on 1/9/17 at 9:50 am to funnystuff
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That's what you took away from this?
I like the work ethic and respect ideas they instilled in him (if true) but to tell your kid he isn't equal no matter what he does is setting him up for failure.
This post was edited on 1/9/17 at 9:51 am
Posted on 1/9/17 at 9:50 am to volod
I don't know, dude. You will have to decide those things for yourself and act accordingly.
I'm just glad that we have all made progress from where we were in 1917 to where we are now in 2017. Back in 1917, people and life in general here in the USA were more cruel and more ignorant. I'm glad that's changed for the better.
I'm just glad that we have all made progress from where we were in 1917 to where we are now in 2017. Back in 1917, people and life in general here in the USA were more cruel and more ignorant. I'm glad that's changed for the better.
Posted on 1/9/17 at 9:51 am to volod
quote:
I am a black man.
I grew up in an environment where I was told that you always will have to work harder in life versus whites in order to succeed. I was told that whites are always looking for reasons to incarcerate black people no matter how miniscule the crime. Meanwhile, whites almost always get a lighter sentence or none at all.
Whites do work hard, but alot of them come from wealth. And they get jobs and other benefits due to associates they know. So they don't face the same societal or economic struggles as blacks. As a result, they can put in less effort in maintaining success.
I was told that I would never be fully accepted even if I obtained better financial status due to my race. I would generally be seen as lazy and anti-law, even though those factors are not the case.
I was told these things by my community growing up. My parents instilled in me to respect everyone, which is what I do. And i grew up knowing that i would have to work for everthing, since i lack wealth, powerful associates, or privelege by birth. But I never held that against anyone, and simply study and work the best way that I can.
However, I wonder if this means my environment is racist to whites.
Well i'm sure this is a troll post, but to answer your question:
In today's interpretation of racism, yes. Of the actual definition of racism, are you? That's only up to you to answer. Do you believe white people are lesser than you simply because of the color of their skin? Do you believe that white people should take a second class in society compared to your race? If you answer yes to that, then yes you are a racist by the definition of the term.
You were brought up misguided in terms of race. Your parents instilled in you a form of bigotry towards white people. I don't think that is undeniable.
However, being taught to work for hard for what you earn is a valuable teaching point. Using it to compare to white people is simply absurd. Using it to instill value in your life outside of the racial component, is valuable however.
What are your personal opinions?
Posted on 1/9/17 at 9:51 am to joshnorris14
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You have it wrong. Success necessitates increased effort for maintenance. Do you see Apple coasting on the original iPod?
Average white dude working in a warehouse somewhere at the job his dad's golfing buddy got him isn't "Apple"...
Posted on 1/9/17 at 9:52 am to Pettifogger
I don't hate white people. Most of my closest friends are white.
And to be honest, I think it's really only a certain segment of the population who have multiple advantages.
A misconception arises because people don't realize how many Caucasian people exist in this country. Even a modest amount of poor whites in percentage will outnumber Blacks in terms of sheer numbers.
And to be honest, I think it's really only a certain segment of the population who have multiple advantages.
A misconception arises because people don't realize how many Caucasian people exist in this country. Even a modest amount of poor whites in percentage will outnumber Blacks in terms of sheer numbers.
Posted on 1/9/17 at 9:52 am to ForeLSU
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Average white dude working in a warehouse somewhere at the job his dad's golfing buddy got him isn't "Apple"...
Average white dude working in a warehouse somewhere at the job his dad's golfing buddy got him isn't success...
Posted on 1/9/17 at 9:52 am to volod
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I was told that whites are always looking for reasons to incarcerate black people no matter how miniscule the crime.
I was watching BookNotes on Cspan yesterday. They had a black male prof hawking his book about how slavery still exists today in the US. It's called Prison. The short story:
Blacks don't commit crime. They are falsely arrested and sent to prison for 3 main reasons:
a. Racism
b. The Prison Industrial Complex
c. Capitalism's need for cheap labor
What do you think about that idea?
Posted on 1/9/17 at 9:54 am to volod
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And to be honest, I think it's really only a certain segment of the population who have multiple advantages.
So the whites who happen to be Jewish?
Yes IQ distribution isn't fair. Nothing we do is going to change that outside of intelligent reproduction over multiple generations
Posted on 1/9/17 at 9:55 am to ForeLSU
Yeah, there is plenty of true stuff in the OP. There is a also a lot that goes unsaid.
Will a black kid be viewed as lazy? It's very possible. Will a black kid have to work harder to reach success? Also possible.
But those only tell half the story. Black kids may be unfairly viewed as lazy because of work ethic issues in the black community. That isn't right, but it's not pulled from thin air. Black kids may have to work harder to get out of bad neighborhoods and bad schools, but bad schools and neighborhoods aren't entirely (or largely) the fault of extrinsic causes. Moreover, once you reach certain levels, minorities may have easier paths to success.
White people get lesser sentences because they show up to Court, take it seriously, and have the resources to hire counsel. It's not because judges love white criminals.
Will a black kid be viewed as lazy? It's very possible. Will a black kid have to work harder to reach success? Also possible.
But those only tell half the story. Black kids may be unfairly viewed as lazy because of work ethic issues in the black community. That isn't right, but it's not pulled from thin air. Black kids may have to work harder to get out of bad neighborhoods and bad schools, but bad schools and neighborhoods aren't entirely (or largely) the fault of extrinsic causes. Moreover, once you reach certain levels, minorities may have easier paths to success.
White people get lesser sentences because they show up to Court, take it seriously, and have the resources to hire counsel. It's not because judges love white criminals.
Posted on 1/9/17 at 9:56 am to volod
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A misconception arises because people don't realize how many Caucasian people exist in this country. Even a modest amount of poor whites in percentage will outnumber Blacks in terms of sheer numbers.
Well, white people who live and work in Japan have a similar problem. But we don't bitch about it.
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