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A Princeton Progressive's View on Free Speech

Posted on 10/16/17 at 1:12 pm
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
43318 posts
Posted on 10/16/17 at 1:12 pm
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A lovely snippet for all my poliboard friends:

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This, of course, ignores an obvious possibility: that conservative ideas have been listened to, that they have been weighed, and that they have been rejected. If conservative arguments were strong, they would be convincing, and if they were convincing, they would not meet political opposition. If conservative arguments were strong, they would stand without desperate appeals to the idea of “free speech.” If the only justification conservatives can offer for their ideas is that they merely exist, then let me say as Trotsky did: “You are miserable bankrupts, your role is played out; go where you ought to go — into the dustbin of history!”


tl;dr - Conservatives don't deserve free speech because I think what they're saying is wrong. Ah, and Trotsky!

Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
139776 posts
Posted on 10/16/17 at 1:15 pm to
Liberalism is a mental disorder.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89476 posts
Posted on 10/16/17 at 1:15 pm to
I hate to say this, but at some point a lot of these folks are just going to have to be dispensed with.

There is no historical record of successful negotiating with tyrants, particularly of the left. So, if you can't negotiate and you can't separate yourself from them, then you're going to have to resort to a conflict of arms.
Posted by RaginCajunz
Member since Mar 2009
5310 posts
Posted on 10/16/17 at 1:16 pm to
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and if they were convincing, they would not meet political opposition.


I'd say for the past decade, they have met very little political opposition at the polls.
Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
71661 posts
Posted on 10/16/17 at 1:16 pm to
Here's the arse clown who wrote that...
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
94823 posts
Posted on 10/16/17 at 1:16 pm to
*facepalm*

An Ivy League degree is not worth the paper it is printed on with regards to actual education.
Posted by LuckyTiger
Someone's Alter
Member since Dec 2008
45161 posts
Posted on 10/16/17 at 1:17 pm to
Sounds like an intelligent, rational communist.
Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
71661 posts
Posted on 10/16/17 at 1:17 pm to
quote:

ABOUT ME

Future undeclared leader, Princeton University class of 2019, Current Events Assistant at The Princeton School of Archiecture.


Posted by Kino74
Denham springs
Member since Nov 2013
5342 posts
Posted on 10/16/17 at 1:18 pm to
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If conservative arguments were strong, they would be convincing, and if they were convincing, they would not meet political opposition. 


And this is suppose to be a good school? How does this individual weigh in on the lefts violent behavior? Violence used to silence oppostition says more about the violent leftists than it does about conservative philosophy. If leftists have such a great view then why do they need to harass and silence their opposition?
This post was edited on 10/16/17 at 1:58 pm
Posted by mtntiger
Asheville, NC
Member since Oct 2003
26614 posts
Posted on 10/16/17 at 1:19 pm to
What I don't get about liberals/progressives/socialists is that history is FILLED with example after example of failures yet they still believe it will work.

WTF is wrong with them?
Posted by CoachChappy
Member since May 2013
32504 posts
Posted on 10/16/17 at 1:20 pm to
quote:

conservative arguments were strong, they would be convincing, and if they were convincing, they would not meet political opposition.

The exact same could be said about liberalism. This kid is a moron.
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hen let me say as Trotsky did:


an indoctrinated moron.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
94823 posts
Posted on 10/16/17 at 1:21 pm to
Ideology insists that past failures are not evidence that you are fricking wrong but, instead, that the right people have not yet tried it and/or that others “sabotaged” their wonderful plans.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
43318 posts
Posted on 10/16/17 at 1:21 pm to
For even more intellectual awesome, go read his article following this one on why the Title IX "Dear Colleague" revocation is wrong.

Bonus: He actually argues that schools should have even MORE authority over sexual assault accusations.

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Given that most sexual assault is unreported, we should assume that more sexual assault than is reported occurs. Given that most sexual assault does not go to trial, we should assume that more sexual assault ought to go trial. Given that most false sexual assault accusations are exceedingly rare, we ought to assume that most sexual assault accusations did indeed occur, or at least occurred as often as any other major crime. Given that investigators usually weed out false accusations rather easily, we should assume that the false accusations that do occur will indeed be found out. Hence, it is not the case that Title IX trials are unfair towards the accused, but rather that they are unfair towards the accuser. I am unfortunately limited in the scope of my article, but I leave you with my main premise here: Sexual assault victims deserve as much care, protection, and sympathy as we can possibly provide towards their allegations. From this perspective, reverting Title IX is a mistake.


Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
26639 posts
Posted on 10/16/17 at 1:23 pm to
These people never get challenged. That's the issue. It's OK to be wrong and have poorly thought out ideas. Usually someone will challenge you and you will learn how ill-formed your opinions are.

But when you have your peers, and even your authority figure professors, agreeing with you, then you are emboldened.
Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
71661 posts
Posted on 10/16/17 at 1:23 pm to
I like how he just uses the word "Given" and the reader should therefore believe the bullshite.
Posted by Mulat
Avalon Bch, FL
Member since Sep 2010
17517 posts
Posted on 10/16/17 at 1:25 pm to
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but at some point a lot of these folks are just going to have to be dispensed with


With 2 terms of President Trump and 2 terms of President Pence, they will 16yrs wiser. Some with accept they had it wrong, just like some of us already have, and others will simply die off due to age. Meanwhile those coming up, the younger generations, will have a different course in their life that these others have had.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
139776 posts
Posted on 10/16/17 at 1:25 pm to
This snowflake...

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Conservatives would have you believe that their insistence on free speech is related to a desire for intellectual diversity and openness of discussion. When conservatives appeal to “free speech,” it is actually a calculated political move, designed to open up avenues of political discourse while shaming others from moving in active political opposition. I argue that when conservatives resort to this move, they can be safely ignored, as they are appealing to a right that does not exist. In my belief, when conservative ideas are opposed, there is no right that is being infringed.


Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
94823 posts
Posted on 10/16/17 at 1:25 pm to
Given his picture and his writings, I don’t think we have to worry about this beta male polluting the gene pool further.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
43318 posts
Posted on 10/16/17 at 1:26 pm to
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I like how he just uses the word "Given" and the reader should therefore believe the bullshite.



If I argued my philosophy papers as poorly as this Philosophy major from Princeton, I would have been kicked out of the program.

Ivy League liberal arts education is a joke. I honestly think you'll find more rigorous programs at state schools...but I guess that's not saying much these days.
Posted by Paradiddler
in a groove
Member since Jul 2016
1316 posts
Posted on 10/16/17 at 1:26 pm to
The Ivy League spawns an awful lot of commies (and has for years)
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