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Tossing out US- N. Vietnam,

40-50 years ago

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USSR-Afganistan,

this counts

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US-Iraq/Afghan stuff,

iraq counts (both of them)

we invaded afghanistan to fight AQ, not to fight afghanistan


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we invaded afghanistan to fight AQ, not to fight afghanistan


it had nothing to do with establishing a presence in the middle east to protect the petrodollar????


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iraq? yes

afghanistan is a worthless country


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afghanistan is a worthless country


U.S.: Afghanistan Sitting On $1T in Minerals


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that is different than having a staging center for middle east war

i'm curious when we start to see wars for resources come back. i think they're often more expensive to fight than to just trade

a great example is china in africa right now


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that is different than having a staging center for middle east war


I agree. I was just pointing out that it's not worthless.

Also, and this could have just been conspiracy bullshite, but I heard there was long term plans for oil pipelines to go through Afghanistan, and that in order for them to be installed that the country needed to be stabilized.....hence US presence.



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i'm curious when we start to see wars for resources come back. i think they're often more expensive to fight than to just trade


Exactly. That's the main benefit of global trade. No need to pillage any more.


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I was just pointing out that it's not worthless.

i mean it's pretty worthless as a staging area for war/regional control. we use pakistan for that in SE Asia

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That's the main benefit of global trade. No need to pillage any more.


somebody send that memo to Russia


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Trans-Afghanistan Pipeline

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After September 11 attacks some conspiracy theorists claimed that possible motivation of the attacks include justifying the invasions of Afghanistan as well as geostrategic interests such as the Trans-Afghanistan Pipeline project. The new deal on the pipeline was signed on 27 December 2002 by the leaders of Turkmenistan, Afghanistan and Pakistan.[9] In 2005, the Asian Development Bank submitted the final version of a feasibility study designed by British company Penspen. The project has been drawn strong US support as it would allow the Central Asian republics to export energy to Western markets "without relying on Russian routes". Then-US Ambassador to Turkmenistan Ann Jacobsen noted that: "We are seriously looking at the project, and it is quite possible that American companies will join it." Due to increasing instability, the project has essentially stalled; construction of the Turkmen part was supposed to start in 2006, but the overall feasibility is questionable since the southern part of the Afghan section runs through territory which continues to be under de facto Taliban control.




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That's the main benefit of global trade. No need to pillage any more.

somebody send that memo to Russia


Why don't they get that it is more expensive to invade and occupy
than to simply pay the locals to dig up their land and sell you the bits of it you want?


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Why don't they get that it is more expensive to invade and occupy
than to simply pay the locals to dig up their land and sell you the bits of it you want?

russians are fricking crazy, are too obsessed with pride, and have small dick syndrome since their collapse in the early 90s


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it's relatively rare today. i hope that we all admit that. the vast majority of conflicts are civil wars of one nature or another.

This is not new. I recall a discussion with a college prof shortly after our withdrawal from Vietnam.

I asked him how long he thought peace would last until there is another war. He said "Peace? At any given time there are a dozen wars going on in the world. You just don't hear about them."

He then listed 10 current wars (7 of which I had heard of).

Most were rebels trying to overthrow the state govt. Some were sectarian. Some were historical (these two factions have been fighting for a century.)

I think we're more aware of these wars because prior to 9-11 America was involved in state to state wars.

I became convinced that war is the natural state of humanity. I recall a line from "I'm Down" the autobiography of a girl raised in the hood who transferred to a rich school and promptly punched a boy in the nose because of something he said.

Principal: "Young lady, you must understand that violence doesn't solve anything."
Girl: "Ma'am, where I come from violence solves everything."


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Peace? At any given time there are a dozen wars going on


Yep, peace is the exception, at least in the global sense.





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