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cfb data warehouse updates their all time program rankings

Posted on 1/13/08 at 12:29 pm
Posted by Papa Purple and Gold
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Posted on 1/13/08 at 12:29 pm
Posted by tygerfan70118
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Posted on 1/13/08 at 12:32 pm to
what was LSU previously? did they move up at all?
Posted by Stingray
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Posted on 1/13/08 at 12:32 pm to
Very cool.
Posted by Papa Purple and Gold
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Posted on 1/13/08 at 12:34 pm to
10

but we are gaining ground on Tennessee
Posted by Buckeye Fan 19
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Posted on 1/13/08 at 12:35 pm to
Princeton at 13. I know they have a good history, but seeing that's hilaious.
Posted by tigerinridgeland
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Posted on 1/13/08 at 12:35 pm to
LSU moved up 2 spots in all time and moved from 7th to 2nd in decade (2000-07) rankings.
Posted by Buckeye Fan 19
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Posted on 1/13/08 at 12:38 pm to
Interesting that for this decade OSU has higher schedule points than LSU.
Posted by Shiftyplus1
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Posted on 1/13/08 at 12:41 pm to
I know its all time, but Princeton is at #13, sooooooo..........
Posted by tigerinridgeland
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Posted on 1/13/08 at 12:41 pm to
USC, if it wins the NC next year will probably surpass Alabama (no. 2) and further narrow the gap with ND. If ND doesn't get things turned around in the next 1 to 2 years, USC will become no. 1 all time in about 2 more years.
Posted by aibo synthetic
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Posted on 1/13/08 at 12:43 pm to
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Interesting that for this decade OSU has higher schedule points than LSU.


Yeah, so does SoCal
Posted by tigerinridgeland
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Posted on 1/13/08 at 12:44 pm to
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Interesting that for this decade OSU has higher schedule points than LSU.


I noticed that too. Sometimes schedule points are pretty strange and how some systems award such points are counterintuitive. Sagarin consistently comes up with counterintuitive rankings, for example in conference and schedule strenght.
Posted by Granola State Tiger
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Posted on 1/13/08 at 12:45 pm to
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I know its all time, but Princeton is at #13, sooooooo..........



The Ivy League schools dominated the first 50 years of college football.
Posted by Buckeye Fan 19
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Posted on 1/13/08 at 1:03 pm to
Yeah, Yale, Harvard, even Brown are pretty far up the list.
Posted by Esarhaddon
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Posted on 1/13/08 at 1:08 pm to
Pretty reasonable IMO
Posted by yungtigr
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Posted on 1/13/08 at 1:22 pm to
going through the decades, we've been super consistent since the 30s with the obvious exception of the 90s. top 15 for all decades other than the 90s. shows that while we may not have the NCs that some schools do we are NOT the johnny come latelys some people think we are.
Posted by molsusports
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Posted on 1/13/08 at 1:28 pm to
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Sagarin consistently comes up with counterintuitive rankings, for example in conference and schedule strenght.


Sagarin's system weighs location of games played very heavily... so much so that he may rank teams which went on the road and lost badly against a decent opponent higher than a team which stayed home and won their games - or he may rank the quality of your schedule pretty much the same if you go on the road and play a bad or mediocre team rather than stay at home and play an average or better team

Posted by nolatiger31
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Posted on 1/13/08 at 1:41 pm to
How can any of those Ivy League schools even be placed on the same level with current top tier programs? What relevance today does their championships in 1890-1920 have? Zero. I pray that Notre Dame goes down the same path and crumbles.
Posted by tigerinridgeland
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Posted on 1/13/08 at 1:42 pm to
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Sagarin's system weighs location of games played very heavily... so much so that he may rank teams which went on the road and lost badly against a decent opponent higher than a team which stayed home and won their games - or he may rank the quality of your schedule pretty much the same if you go on the road and play a bad or mediocre team rather than stay at home and play an average or better team


As the saying goes, garbage in, garbage out. His formula doesn't work well, and a common sense evaluation shows it. His rationale just isn't sound. It seems to me a home game against a top 5 or 10 team is much harder than an away game at no. 35. Is is just me?
Posted by aibo synthetic
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Posted on 1/13/08 at 1:45 pm to
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How can any of those Ivy League schools even be placed on the same level with current top tier programs? What relevance today does their championships in 1890-1920 have? Zero. I pray that Notre Dame goes down the same path and crumbles.


That's why they put "all-time" before "rankings".

Posted by Tigers_R_Gr8
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Posted on 1/13/08 at 1:53 pm to
The SEC also just moved in front of the Pac 10 in the conference rankings by decade (2000-2007).

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