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re: "Pressure grows on Marines to consider lowering combat standards for women."
Posted on 4/21/15 at 1:13 pm to SabiDojo
Posted on 4/21/15 at 1:13 pm to SabiDojo
YAY!!!
Participation awards for everyone!!!
Hey, sweetie, I know you got 15 people killed while they were helping you because you couldn't keep up, but it's ok because you tried really hard!!
Girl Power!!!*
*except for pull-ups
Participation awards for everyone!!!
Hey, sweetie, I know you got 15 people killed while they were helping you because you couldn't keep up, but it's ok because you tried really hard!!
Girl Power!!!*
*except for pull-ups
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Posted on 4/21/15 at 1:13 pm to SabiDojo
quote:This guy is an idiot.
Gen. Dempsey laid down the law this way: “If we do decide that a particular standard is so high that a woman couldn’t make it, the burden is now on the service to come back and explain to the secretary, why is it that high? Does it really have to be that high?"
Posted on 4/21/15 at 1:14 pm to SabiDojo
Oh, well yeah, they shouldn't do that.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 1:14 pm to Scruffy
I'll just go ahead and throw out all the pork in my freezer for when ISIS comes to my house to behead my family.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 1:15 pm to LordSaintly
quote:
But surely there's a freak woman out there who could?
that's kind of like thinking there is a freak woman who is 6-0 and can dunk a basketball
Posted on 4/21/15 at 1:16 pm to SabiDojo
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"Pressure grows on Marines to consider lowering combat standards for women."
This shite is going too far. This is life and death we're talking here.
I'd be perfectly fine with being thought of as sexist if it would keep my fellow Soldiers, Marines, or whoever alive.
This post was edited on 4/21/15 at 1:18 pm
Posted on 4/21/15 at 1:16 pm to SabiDojo
But but but all we want is to be treated equal........
Posted on 4/21/15 at 1:17 pm to SabiDojo
I had two female Marines in one of my classes who I would have easily picked over the rest of the dudes, they were actually really good at their jobs. but they had zero desire to go infantry. they told me there are all kinds of bonuses and career type promises being offered to the Females who decide to be a part of the Selection process.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 1:18 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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No General, they were just set that high to ensure a better chance of survival and effectiveness for the Marine and those surrounding said Marine.
i guess the question is, how arbitrarily were they set? i have no idea on the test or standards but how much risk does a slight step back create, vs possible benefits of more people able to contribute in action? relaxing them just to say a woman can now pass is silly though.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 1:18 pm to SabiDojo
I'm so glad that I'm retired now. This type of thing is inevitable in today's military climate. It's a matter of time.
And it's more than just physical fitness standards. The living conditions of what my MOs were such that the general opinion was that it was not conducive to having males and females live in that confined of an environment.
And it's more than just physical fitness standards. The living conditions of what my MOs were such that the general opinion was that it was not conducive to having males and females live in that confined of an environment.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 1:19 pm to SlowFlowPro
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that's kind of like thinking there is a freak woman who is 6-0 and can dunk a basketball
If a woman wants to be able to compete with men in the strength department, they are going to need testosterone supplements
Posted on 4/21/15 at 1:19 pm to El Segundo Guy
WM's need to take their tops off and shake'em.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 1:20 pm to SabiDojo
This shite right here is something I don't have time for. Many things in politics are completely irrational and idiotic, but this is some shite that'll actually piss me the frick off 
quote:God damn is this real life? He's being forced to say shite like this, right?
Gen. Dempsey laid down the law this way: “If we do decide that a particular standard is so high that a woman couldn’t make it, the burden is now on the service to come back and explain to the secretary, why is it that high? Does it really have to be that high?"
Posted on 4/21/15 at 1:22 pm to NoSaint
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i guess the question is, how arbitrarily were they set? i have no idea on the test or standards but how much risk does a slight step back create, vs possible benefits of more people able to contribute in action? relaxing them just to say a woman can now pass is silly though.
Well, you want the test to be tough. Having a professional military means being more selective. If you lower the standards, your quality of soldier suffers.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 1:23 pm to SabiDojo
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Gen. Dempsey laid down the law this way: “If we do decide that a particular standard is so high that a woman couldn’t make it, the burden is now on the service to come back and explain to the secretary, why is it that high? Does it really have to be that high?"
Yes it has to be that high. If it isn't high, then people will die. Good men and women in the field will die. Is that a good enough reason for you Mr. Dempsey? Wounded soldiers will be left on the field to die because another soldier will not be strong enough to carry them off. The fallen will be left behind for the same reason.
For frick's sake.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 1:23 pm to SabiDojo
Attention all male USMC personnel:
By order of the the Commander in Chief and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, you are hereby ordered to urinate in the squatting position to show solidarity with your fellow female Marines. Disobeying this order will be an immediate dishonorable discharge. That is all.
By order of the the Commander in Chief and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, you are hereby ordered to urinate in the squatting position to show solidarity with your fellow female Marines. Disobeying this order will be an immediate dishonorable discharge. That is all.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 1:25 pm to SabiDojo
Unfortunately for Dempsey, the Commandant of the USMC sets that policy, not him. CJCS is the principal military advisor to the SecDef and President but the other branch chiefs are also advisors.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 1:26 pm to SabiDojo
Ugh. This is jacked up. Lets just lower standards for everybody.
Time for me to get back into the irr and get out of my reserve unit.
Time for me to get back into the irr and get out of my reserve unit.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 1:27 pm to lsucoonass
I hope Gen Dunford tells Dempsey to shove it. Then calls him a POG boot.
This post was edited on 4/21/15 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 4/21/15 at 1:28 pm to terd ferguson
Veteran checking in here, so don't throw stones my way until you really think it through, but! Women have been in combat scenarios for years in both Russia and Israel with great effectiveness.
The standards are set forth to make it difficult for men to accomplish, more as a test of will and endurance than skill, which makes it practically impossible for women to achieve at all in most cases. The argument for physical strength in order to carry a pack, negotiate obstacles, or carry an injured combatant to safety are legitimate. However
The truth is this, mental toughness, smarts, and the ability to put a round down range accurately are equally important. I've seen many women who were superior to men in this area and in addition some of the best infantrymen God ever created were Korean, Puerto Rican and Gurkhas and can't remember any of them standing over 5'8" 140lbs.
Maybe power to weight ratio should be the better measure for go, no go when determining the standard for troops all things equal.
That said no excuses or dead weight is allowed in any regard for quotas or politics whether man or woman.
The standards are set forth to make it difficult for men to accomplish, more as a test of will and endurance than skill, which makes it practically impossible for women to achieve at all in most cases. The argument for physical strength in order to carry a pack, negotiate obstacles, or carry an injured combatant to safety are legitimate. However
The truth is this, mental toughness, smarts, and the ability to put a round down range accurately are equally important. I've seen many women who were superior to men in this area and in addition some of the best infantrymen God ever created were Korean, Puerto Rican and Gurkhas and can't remember any of them standing over 5'8" 140lbs.
Maybe power to weight ratio should be the better measure for go, no go when determining the standard for troops all things equal.
That said no excuses or dead weight is allowed in any regard for quotas or politics whether man or woman.
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