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re: How much will Asik get next season?
Posted on 4/21/15 at 10:23 am to corndeaux
Posted on 4/21/15 at 10:23 am to corndeaux
From an exchange with MM this morning.
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Zach Lowe ?@ZachLowe_NBA 3 hours ago
By the way, you can stop wondering if your team might be able to get Draymond with a max offer. You can't. GSW is not letting him go.
Michael McNamara @McNamara247
@ZachLowe_NBA Add Kawhi, Butler, and Middleton to this list so fans of SF starved teams don't get their hopes up
Zach Lowe ?@ZachLowe_NBA 3 hours ago
@McNamara247 I don't think it applies to MIddleton, necessarily. And you never know with the Bulls, though I'd be shocked if JB left
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Posted on 4/21/15 at 10:24 am to TigerinATL
Point is, there are plenty of centers out there making under 8 million that provide what Asik does and more.
If you're going to give a guy like Asik 11 million, you might as well give more money to someone actually worth a shite.
There's only about 10 legit free agent centers this year
There are 21 free agent centers next year, only 6 are RFA and that list is loaded with talent.
Get by next year, don't handcuff yourself, and go get someone good the next year.
If we make the playoffs again, Jrue stays healthy, we can be an attractive place to come play at.
I'd give Deandre Jordan $18 million before I give Asik $11.
I don't know what we will have available to go after this summer, but the priority shouldn't be to resign Asik to $11 million. That should be a last resort, and with all the FA bigs the next summer, i don't want to be tied to Asik going forward at $11million.
If you're going to give a guy like Asik 11 million, you might as well give more money to someone actually worth a shite.
There's only about 10 legit free agent centers this year
There are 21 free agent centers next year, only 6 are RFA and that list is loaded with talent.
Get by next year, don't handcuff yourself, and go get someone good the next year.
If we make the playoffs again, Jrue stays healthy, we can be an attractive place to come play at.
I'd give Deandre Jordan $18 million before I give Asik $11.
I don't know what we will have available to go after this summer, but the priority shouldn't be to resign Asik to $11 million. That should be a last resort, and with all the FA bigs the next summer, i don't want to be tied to Asik going forward at $11million.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 10:26 am to corndeaux
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It's an odd thing; they need a legit 5 for the regular season and can survive/thrive despite Asik's flaws, but almost everyone goes small in the playoffs. Asik won't be more than a rotation player in most series. Davis will be the "5" in the playoffs.
Yeah, how long before AD gets more comfortable at the 5? All the historic stats he's dropping compare him to centers, not PFs. I think years might be more important than money, I'd take Asik at 3/$33 over 4/$40.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 10:32 am to TeddyPadillac
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Point is, there are plenty of centers out there making under 8 million that provide what Asik does and more.
If you're going to give a guy like Asik 11 million, you might as well give more money to someone actually worth a shite.
There's only about 10 legit free agent centers this year
There are 21 free agent centers next year, only 6 are RFA and that list is loaded with talent.
Get by next year, don't handcuff yourself, and go get someone good the next year.
If we make the playoffs again, Jrue stays healthy, we can be an attractive place to come play at.
I'd give Deandre Jordan $18 million before I give Asik $11.
I don't know what we will have available to go after this summer, but the priority shouldn't be to resign Asik to $11 million. That should be a last resort, and with all the FA bigs the next summer, i don't want to be tied to Asik going forward at $11million.
The problem is we can't get those guys because of salary cap and all that. We have Asik's Bird Rights so we can re-sign him.
I'd be really interested to see if they move Ryno and as I mentioned try to get a lowpost/rugged 4 to compliment AD when we go small ball.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 10:33 am to TeddyPadillac
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Point is, there are plenty of centers out there making under 8 million that provide what Asik does and more.
No, the point is you are looking for any alternative to Asik, even if the options are fictional. There are plenty of centers making less than $8 million, but they are not available in the upcoming Free Agency. Also, we don't have $8-$12 million in cap space to give Asik, we have Bird Rights, so it's not like we can take the money we have for Asik and give it to another FA center.
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Get by next year, don't handcuff yourself, and go get someone good the next year.
So in what is likely a contract year for Monty and Demps you want them to take a step back by not resigning Asik. That'll happen.
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I'd give Deandre Jordan $18 million before I give Asik $11.
And that sums up the problem with just about everything you post on Asik, the alternative you are suggesting is not an available option. And if you were to make the trades that makes it an option, you turn Asik to Jordan, but you dump enough that you essentially are where you started this year, not enough legit rotation players on the roster.
This post was edited on 4/21/15 at 10:37 am
Posted on 4/21/15 at 10:34 am to TigerinATL
Thanks for the tweets. I know many advanced +/- rate Middleton highly. Some talk he could get well over 8 figures. Not too sure I'd match up there if I'm Milwaukee, but I'd certainly bluff that I would.
Bottom line, all of those guys are likely out of play for the Pels.
Yep. Both are good deals. I was expecting to see 4/$48 as as a basement for him. I think I was probably wrong. But it only takes one a-hole
Bottom line, all of those guys are likely out of play for the Pels.
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I'd take Asik at 3/$33 over 4/$40.
Yep. Both are good deals. I was expecting to see 4/$48 as as a basement for him. I think I was probably wrong. But it only takes one a-hole
Posted on 4/21/15 at 10:40 am to Fun Bunch
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be really interested to see if they move Ryno and as I mentioned try to get a lowpost/rugged 4 to compliment AD when we go small ball.
I'd hate to lose the stretch 4 option. Davis with that type of player is dynamite. The defense is a tire fire with Anderson. I do think they could scheme and play better around him (Davis still makes mistakes on defense and can be better when he's the sole rim protector.)
If Cunningham could hit 3s at an average rate, he could be a homeless mans Draymond Green. That's the type of player(s) they need.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 10:45 am to corndeaux
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I'd hate to lose the stretch 4 option.
I would to, but it just depends on how the rest of the roster construction goes. If we add a wing or two that can knock down 3s at a respectable rate, a stretch 4 might not be needed as much.
Then you can decide if you want to give Davis more minutes at 5. A poor-man's Z-Bo might make sense at that point.
I don't know. Lots of different directions.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 10:45 am to corndeaux
Just put Asik on the jugs machine all off-season. Asik literally needs to do nothing but learn how to catch all off-season. I don't ever want to see Asik even take a dribble next season, just learn how to catch, slam, and get endurance up.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 10:53 am to TigerinATL
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No, the point is you are looking for any alternative to Asik, even if the options are fictional. There are plenty of centers making less than $8 million, but they are not available in the upcoming Free Agency. Also, we don't have $8-$12 million in cap space to give Asik, we have Bird Rights, so it's not like we can take the money we have for Asik and give it to another FA center.
didn't realize that.
Signing Asik just means that we have Asik going forward, and i don't like not having options.
21 free agents in 2016, and we won't have a chance to get one b/c we are stuck with overpaying Asik b/c we had no other choice.
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So in what is likely a contract year for Monty and Demps you want them to take a step back by not resigning Asik. That'll happen.
I'm confident a healthy team with fill in centers not named Steisma next year can make the playoffs without Asik.
Trades can be made.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 10:54 am to Tigerfan_95
I thought it was expected that we would bring back both Asik and Ajinca next season?
Posted on 4/21/15 at 11:06 am to corndeaux
The thing is that I think Dante can become a serviceable 3 point shooter, but he has just got to put the reps in over the summer. It's pretty clear he has the range considering how many long twos he takes. I think him having an entire summer to build his confidence and ability in 3pt shooting would be really good for him.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 11:17 am to Tigerfan_95
If he takes a paycut, then fine. But the guy isnt worth more than 7 mil a year imo. He is clumsy as all hell. I literally smh all the time watching this guy. Honestly spreights plays better than him and makes much less. If he walks, then oh well. I def wouldnt lose any sleep.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 11:20 am to UNO
I'm not sure Ajinca will be back.
Almost assuredly Asik will be, if they sign him for more than 11 I might vomit though
They just gave up a first for him, and they'd roughly the value of the MLE to replace him with (presumably they'd be operating below the cap if they let Asik walk). Best bet would be to sign him for 10ish, and don't sign any more deals longer than one season. Go into the 16 off season with ~25 mil in cap space and a core of Asik, Davis, Pondexter, Evans, and Holiday. Which would be enough to offer a max deal to a player with less than 6 years of experience.
Almost assuredly Asik will be, if they sign him for more than 11 I might vomit though
They just gave up a first for him, and they'd roughly the value of the MLE to replace him with (presumably they'd be operating below the cap if they let Asik walk). Best bet would be to sign him for 10ish, and don't sign any more deals longer than one season. Go into the 16 off season with ~25 mil in cap space and a core of Asik, Davis, Pondexter, Evans, and Holiday. Which would be enough to offer a max deal to a player with less than 6 years of experience.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 11:21 am to Epic Cajun
Sounds like a plan to me!
Posted on 4/21/15 at 11:25 am to Epic Cajun
Not many wings to pick from there though. You're looking at Harrison Barnes and MKG . . . 
Posted on 4/21/15 at 11:31 am to TeddyPadillac
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21 free agents in 2016, and we won't have a chance to get one b/c we are stuck with overpaying Asik b/c we had no other choice
Sign Asik to 3 year deal. If a realistic center option becomes available in 2016, do a S&T. Just because we sign him doesn't mean we'll keep him all those years.
I don't think moving him would be hard considering the team we'd trade him to just lost a center and centers are hard to come by.
ETA: This is all assuming we don't grossly overpay for Asik
This post was edited on 4/21/15 at 11:32 am
Posted on 4/21/15 at 11:32 am to Epic Cajun
We have to plan for next summer, not this summer.
There's no guarantee we make the playoffs next year.
The west was loaded this year, but i think it will be worst next year.
Teams that will win 50+ games easily, assuming no catastrophic injuries.
GSW
OKC
LAC
Memphis (if Gasol stays)
Rockets
Spurs
Portland (who dealt with a good bit of injuries this year but still own 51)
Dallas wins 50 games almost every year
You can easily see 9 teams winning 50 games, assuming relative health, with the Pelicans as one of those 9.
No telling what the Lakers do in free agency, although they are probably waiting for the next year as well.
Utah was very good after the all star break.
Phoenix is hanging in there.
We have to look ahead and plan for the big FA market after next season, and not handcuff ourselves now. There's very little if anything we can do this offseason to become title contenders, but there's things we can do to prevent us from hampering us from becoming one in the future.
next seasons free agency will have a huge impact on who will be the title contenders for years to come.
There's no guarantee we make the playoffs next year.
The west was loaded this year, but i think it will be worst next year.
Teams that will win 50+ games easily, assuming no catastrophic injuries.
GSW
OKC
LAC
Memphis (if Gasol stays)
Rockets
Spurs
Portland (who dealt with a good bit of injuries this year but still own 51)
Dallas wins 50 games almost every year
You can easily see 9 teams winning 50 games, assuming relative health, with the Pelicans as one of those 9.
No telling what the Lakers do in free agency, although they are probably waiting for the next year as well.
Utah was very good after the all star break.
Phoenix is hanging in there.
We have to look ahead and plan for the big FA market after next season, and not handcuff ourselves now. There's very little if anything we can do this offseason to become title contenders, but there's things we can do to prevent us from hampering us from becoming one in the future.
next seasons free agency will have a huge impact on who will be the title contenders for years to come.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 11:39 am to TeddyPadillac
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We have to plan for next summer, not this summer.
One option that hasn't been discussed is the Carl Landry option, give Asik 1 year, $12-$15. It might taste bad going down, but it could let you turn 1 year of overpaid Asik into something like Deng and a $5 million rugged big who may not be better than Asik, but costs more like a role player.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 11:47 am to TigerinATL
I would actually love that. An extra 10 mil in cap space in 16 would be great and would make practically any free agent a target.
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