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re: I have some questions I'd like to ask catholics (very long)
Posted on 4/16/15 at 3:21 pm to chryso
Posted on 4/16/15 at 3:21 pm to chryso
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1. The pope disseminates any new info that God has for us. When acting as pope his word is the infallible word of God. I am unfamiliar with any delivery aspect to his position
Not trolling, genuinely curious. What about the popes that were clearly evil and were political appointees to the office. Were their words still infallible?
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Posted on 4/16/15 at 3:21 pm to TigerBait414
I'm not either. It was a legit question. 
Posted on 4/16/15 at 3:23 pm to crap4brain
quote:Not sure about the position that the pope is infallible. Never heard that before.
Not trolling, genuinely curious. What about the popes that were clearly evil and were political appointees to the office. Were their words still infallible?
Posted on 4/16/15 at 3:25 pm to BigEdLSU
If you handled more snakes you could clean up that daily filthiness.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 3:25 pm to Scruffy
Posted on 4/16/15 at 3:25 pm to BigEdLSU
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And to the poster above, this is not a troll.
I sent you an email. Feel free to contact me if you would like, and I'll be happy to put more time/thought into my answers than the rush job above as well as direct you to places who do a better job of phrasing things than I do. But rest assured, outside of the question about Baptism, which is a good one where we fundamentally differ on its purpose, though your description is quite similar to what we refer to as Confirmation in what is being affirmed/professed, your perception of things that seem to be "done wrong" are merely very common misconceptions about my/our faith.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 3:26 pm to Scruffy
Thanks for the response.
I assume forgiveness of sins comes by confession, or am I wrong? If so, what about the person who sinned after his last confession and dies?
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A belief in Jesus and forgiveness of their sins.
I assume forgiveness of sins comes by confession, or am I wrong? If so, what about the person who sinned after his last confession and dies?
Posted on 4/16/15 at 3:27 pm to BigEdLSU
please ask Roman Catholics
all Christians are catholic (universal)
all Christians are catholic (universal)
Posted on 4/16/15 at 3:28 pm to crap4brain
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what about the person who sinned after his last confession and dies?
That is where purgatory comes in. It is kind of like hazing before heaven.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 3:28 pm to crap4brain
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What do Catholics believe is required to get into Heaven? Do you believe in salvation?
Catholics believe that the requirements to get into Heaven involve the Grace of God (through Jesus's sacrifice) and good works.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 3:29 pm to crap4brain
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Were their words still infallible?
There's a link above. Be sure not to confuse Papal Infallability with every word the Pope, a daily sinner like (probably) you and (definitely) me, says being the Infallible Word of God. Important distinction that's easy to miss.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 3:32 pm to Hopeful Doc
I've been told by a priest that non Catholics can go to heaven as long as they live a good moral life, but Catholics have a responsibility to follow all the rules because they have been taught the right way. He did not have an answer for me when I said that by that logic, it would be better if I had never been taught anything about Catholicism and that my parents never baptized me so that I could get into heaven without all this headache just by being a good person.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 3:37 pm to BigEdLSU
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For starters, the pope. It is my understanding that the pope is supposedly taking all the prayers of all catholics to deliver them to God.
your understanding is wrong.
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Third, punishment. It is my understanding that if you sin as a child, the priest will command you to say 10 Hail Marys or something along those lines. The gospel however tells us that we cannot "earn" our way into heaven, that we can only please God through faith. We cannot atone for our sins any more than we could make the moon turn into cheese. Jesus has paid for our sins, we don't have to pay more.
No, that is the martin luther/god perkins/fundamentalist protestant interpretation. That is not the interpretation of the Church.
And if we take the luther position to its fullest extent, 75% of the world's population is born solely to spend eternity in hell once their time on earth is up. Why in the world would God sentence 75% of the beings he creates to eternal hell
This post was edited on 4/16/15 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 4/16/15 at 3:38 pm to bawbarn
No I like to throw rash generalizations towards things I don't understand.
Either way frick those non-denom cults that tell people because they haven't "been saved" their certainly going to burn in hell. frick those people
Either way frick those non-denom cults that tell people because they haven't "been saved" their certainly going to burn in hell. frick those people
Posted on 4/16/15 at 3:41 pm to ShoeBang
What I think he was probably referring to is a part of the Second Vatican Counsel. Now, I'm not an expert in, so please find a better source than me to take this as fact or entirely accurate. But in Vatican 2, they looked at and formed an opinion on what happens to non-Catholics with regards to the afterlife. The gyst of it is that if a person lives their life the way they were taught, practically regardless of what that may have been (following the laws of Judaism, Hindu, etc) to from a young age and never knew of Catholicism to reject it, God will likely have mercy on them rather than damn them to Hell for not being Catholic. On one hand, you would be somewhat correct in that by never having learned about Faith, you would probably not have had much acquired of you to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. However, I don't know that I can agree that you are better off any more than on the very self level- your understanding faith is an opportunity to share and teach others what is right for your (our) God. I can't say that, while it would be much easier to have no responsibilities, that it would be better not to Know Him.
Forgive my paraphrasing and simplification of a fairly profound document, but hopefully that can at least point you in the right direction as far as where his statement comes from.
Forgive my paraphrasing and simplification of a fairly profound document, but hopefully that can at least point you in the right direction as far as where his statement comes from.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 3:41 pm to bawbarn
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Can this be proven?
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And if we take the luther position to its fullest extent, 75% of the world's population is born solely to spend eternity in hell once their time on earth is up. Why in the world would God sentence 75% of the beings he creates to eternal hell
Nope. I'm now Catholic, but was baptized and confirmed in the Lutheran religion. We were never taught that 75% theory. I switched churches for other reasons.
This post was edited on 4/16/15 at 3:54 pm
Posted on 4/16/15 at 3:58 pm to Hopeful Doc
I sure wish they would have let this thread go a while. It has been full of interesting, respectful debate.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 4:00 pm to Hopeful Doc
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Hopeful Doc
Thanks for the reply. I struggle with faith. I married in the Catholic church and endured 14 years of Catholic school. My wife is deeply religious and I attend mass every Sunday with her and our kids. Our kids are baptized. I just have, from a young age, questioned the existence of god. As early as 6-7 years old I remember questioning things but being to scared to voice my concerns, so I just always went through the motions, pretending I believed so I could "fit in".
After high school I did not go to church again for 6-7 years until I started dating my wife. Now I treat mass as a meditation session. I try to be a good person, and typically I am.
I view religion as mostly good ideas tainted by human fallibility and a belief that there might be some guy up there watching to be sure that everyone behaves themselves.
I wish I could believe, I just have never been able to bring myself to fully convincing myself that there's an all powerful being somewhere out there. If he is out there, it would be nice to have him prove it, that way everyone would stop being shitty to each other and worship him for sure.
Just proving his existence would end all war over night. All crime evaporates instantly. Why would he (if he exists) not want that for his people? It defies logic. I know he supposedly granted us free will, which seems like some huge joke on us because now he gets to punish those who don't follow him? Does an almighty being get some kind of satisfaction from punishing the very people he created for using the tools he gave them? Seems odd.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 11:29 pm to ShoeBang
Um, it called free will.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 11:44 pm to BigEdLSU
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I sure wish they would have let this thread go a while. It has been full of interesting, respectful debate.
Agree. This has been a pretty good religion thread.
Being a life-long catholic, I went through many stages of self-discovery and doubt. Every time, I always found something new about what and why the Catholic Church does something and eventually got me to the point where I couldn't see myself as a part of any other religion. While it's true that it has not perfect in its loooooong history, there's no other place I'd rather be. Keep the questions coming if you are still curious about anything. Lots of good information here so far.
I'd probably be frowned upon if any of the "elders" heard me say this, but the penance part of forgiveness was always something I never really agreed with. I've read all I can About it and I understand the reasoning behind it, but I've always felt that once you say your confession and the priest say "I absolve you of your sins", that was it. Sins gone. Game over. Nothing else needed.
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