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Spinoff Thread: Defending oneself against an unlawful cop
Posted on 4/10/15 at 11:34 am
Posted on 4/10/15 at 11:34 am
Hypothetical situation -
Say someone comes in contact with a dirty cop, or a cop in a bad mood, etc.. and the cop is looking for any excuse to use his gun, even though no force was necessary, does that person have the right to protect him/herself and expect no repercussions?
Has got to be a slippery situation.
Say someone comes in contact with a dirty cop, or a cop in a bad mood, etc.. and the cop is looking for any excuse to use his gun, even though no force was necessary, does that person have the right to protect him/herself and expect no repercussions?
Has got to be a slippery situation.
This post was edited on 4/10/15 at 11:36 am
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Posted on 4/10/15 at 11:36 am to JTM72
If you give him an excuse, he will use it.
Lay on the ground with your hands behind your back.
Lay on the ground with your hands behind your back.
This post was edited on 4/10/15 at 11:37 am
Posted on 4/10/15 at 11:44 am to JTM72
Comply. Record. Report.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 11:44 am to LSUAlum2001
Seriously, if this situation occurs you do whatever it takes to comply and survive.
You are in a losing situation with a losing hand.
You are in a losing situation with a losing hand.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 11:46 am to LSUAlum2001
Yeah, the bottom line is that you should never show any kind of physicality with a cop in the first place.
I guess if you were in a fight with civilians and a cop jumped into it, that would be a tough situation tho.
I guess if you were in a fight with civilians and a cop jumped into it, that would be a tough situation tho.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 11:55 am to JTM72
Offer him a bag of skittles and an Arizona watermelon fruit juice as bribe ????
Posted on 4/10/15 at 11:58 am to JTM72
Don't run
Posted on 4/10/15 at 12:04 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
quote:
Seriously, if this situation occurs you do whatever it takes to comply and survive.
You are in a losing situation with a losing hand.
Very much this.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 12:05 pm to JTM72
If self preservation is an instinct you possess then comply, no matter how ridiculous the circumstances. You will have your day in court.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 12:12 pm to JTM72
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does that person have the right to protect him/herself and expect no repercussions
Yes, but it would be an uphill battle to prove it.
The juice isn't worth the squeeze on this one. Better to comply and try to burn the guy through the proper channels.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 12:13 pm to pleading the fifth
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If self preservation is an instinct you possess
Thanks, Wolf!
Posted on 4/10/15 at 12:23 pm to upgrayedd
I had a crazy cop try to get me to fight him in my kids school's parking lot. I ran to the office like a little scared kid and hid behind the principal. 
the principal asked him to leave and he was fired from the force about 3 weeks later.
I'm white, the cop was black.
the principal asked him to leave and he was fired from the force about 3 weeks later. I'm white, the cop was black.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 12:25 pm to JTM72
Yes, you have the right to resist unlawful force and orders. Good luck proving it.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 12:26 pm to JTM72
Rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6
Posted on 4/10/15 at 12:30 pm to JTM72
quote:
Say someone comes in contact with a dirty cop, or a cop in a bad mood, etc.. and the cop is looking for any excuse to use his gun
Don't give him an excuse. Lay down. Hands behind back or head. dont make sudden movements, dont show irritation and paint skin white.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 12:46 pm to JTM72
Act as though you're dealing with an irrational, hothead of a brute who wants to shoot you, because you very well may be.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 12:59 pm to wadewilson
Three bannings
This post was edited on 4/10/15 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 4/10/15 at 1:01 pm to Hammertime
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Rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6
Exactly....live to tell your side of the story, then sue his arse off
Posted on 4/10/15 at 1:08 pm to Wtodd
I have played this question out in my head before and it wouldn't be a physical confrontation that would concern me. I can take an arse whipping and handle that later through IA and civil remedies.
The real question of this thread is what to do if the guy engaged you unlawfully with deadly force. That would be the hard one, he starts shooting first and you have to shoot him to survive. Imagine the legal battle getting out of that one... And would it be better if he survived the encounter (i.e. not battling a murder charge but having to counter his testimony) or killing him and having it be just your testimony and the forensic evidence? Now that is a scenario to consider.
The real question of this thread is what to do if the guy engaged you unlawfully with deadly force. That would be the hard one, he starts shooting first and you have to shoot him to survive. Imagine the legal battle getting out of that one... And would it be better if he survived the encounter (i.e. not battling a murder charge but having to counter his testimony) or killing him and having it be just your testimony and the forensic evidence? Now that is a scenario to consider.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 1:11 pm to JTM72
Listen friend. Do what I did a few years back. I Immediately went to my knees with my hands up behind my head. I looked down at the crush and run all around my knees on the shoulder of the street. Do not stare into a cops eyes. I could hear the crunch of his boot as he encircled me but I remained calm. Only when the end of his baton under my chin gently signaled that it was okay to look up did I start to feel secure. After he reviewed my papers, I was allowed to leave unharmed and secure in my being.
It is really simple.
It is really simple.
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