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#31. What Do You Realistically Expect?
Posted on 4/9/15 at 7:17 pm
Posted on 4/9/15 at 7:17 pm
There is a ton of expectation regarding the #13 slot. I believe there will be a quality player there regardless if it's EDGE, OL or DE.
#31 has been a point I have been seeking out in all the mocks. I have seen a ton of mocks with the Saints selecting Maxx Williams. I understand I am a layman, but there doesn't seem to be much value at that position. The dynamic TEs seem to be extraordinary athletes. I'm not sure this kid fits the mold. I see a ton of Todd Heap in him, which isn't a bad thing. Heap is a great player when healthy, but I'm not sure that's first round talent. Ebron went in the teens last year and didn't exactly catch his worth in Detroit. I don't think he is a better prospect than him, despite Ebron's struggles.
This brings me to my next point, it seems in the best interest for the Saints to trade out this pick if it's available. If we can get a second, third and fifth, that strikes me as infinitely better value. The draft seems to have a set top 20 and then a bunch of decent values.
I know there seems to be a couple CBs (Johnson and Jones) available but considering the Saints record with CBs, not sure worth the risk.
I will be disappointed if the Saints reach for a TE at this mark or even Jones (Johnson seems to get solid reviews). WR is still an option with DBG, but if they pick up the USCW WR or Miami WR I might be disappointed.
The surface analysis points to trading down if there is a legitimate option available. I don't know enough about our cap situation to make an opinion, but we seem to have a lot of needs, with not much separation in value in 31 vs. 50th pick.
Thoughts?
#31 has been a point I have been seeking out in all the mocks. I have seen a ton of mocks with the Saints selecting Maxx Williams. I understand I am a layman, but there doesn't seem to be much value at that position. The dynamic TEs seem to be extraordinary athletes. I'm not sure this kid fits the mold. I see a ton of Todd Heap in him, which isn't a bad thing. Heap is a great player when healthy, but I'm not sure that's first round talent. Ebron went in the teens last year and didn't exactly catch his worth in Detroit. I don't think he is a better prospect than him, despite Ebron's struggles.
This brings me to my next point, it seems in the best interest for the Saints to trade out this pick if it's available. If we can get a second, third and fifth, that strikes me as infinitely better value. The draft seems to have a set top 20 and then a bunch of decent values.
I know there seems to be a couple CBs (Johnson and Jones) available but considering the Saints record with CBs, not sure worth the risk.
I will be disappointed if the Saints reach for a TE at this mark or even Jones (Johnson seems to get solid reviews). WR is still an option with DBG, but if they pick up the USCW WR or Miami WR I might be disappointed.
The surface analysis points to trading down if there is a legitimate option available. I don't know enough about our cap situation to make an opinion, but we seem to have a lot of needs, with not much separation in value in 31 vs. 50th pick.
Thoughts?
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Posted on 4/9/15 at 7:29 pm to Meep
It's tough to project. There could always be 1 or 2 guys that unexpectedly fall. I think we'll have our choice of ILBs there, potentially minus Kendricks. Dorsett should be there, and one of these WRs could very well be there: DGB, Strong, Perriman. Kevin Johnson, Marcus Peters, and Byron Jones could be there. And I think one of the 1st round OTs could fall there as well.
Looking at that list, it makes me want one of the EDGE players even more at 13. After the top 5,there's a big drop off.
Looking at that list, it makes me want one of the EDGE players even more at 13. After the top 5,there's a big drop off.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 7:50 pm to Meep
If we take a tight end with the 31st pick I will get a permaban on this board for the shite I will post
Posted on 4/9/15 at 7:56 pm to Meep
13: best player, could be Gregory, Collins or Waynes. 31: I like Dorsett, D. Perryman, Kendricks, or Strong. 44: Best player of position not already picked: watch for Walford or Marpet.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 7:57 pm to Meep
Payton said he wasn't particularly impressed by this class of TEs and also said he looked at Hill's measurables and said he would be at least a third rounder this year.
To me that means if we take a TE it won't be until at least the third round but probably later.
And there will likely be many good WRs and LBs at 31 so no we shouldn't trade out unless we have too many guys in a bubble and feel safe trading back and still nabbing one of them. I also think we could trade up from there if the guys in the bubble for around that pick are running out (like what happened with Cooks last year).
We basically had Mosley, Shazier, Cooks, another WR (Beckham most likely), and one other position I forget and after most of those guys went we started trying to trade up. So that could happen again or we might not be able to trade up amd then will likely look to trade back if everyone is gone.
To me that means if we take a TE it won't be until at least the third round but probably later.
And there will likely be many good WRs and LBs at 31 so no we shouldn't trade out unless we have too many guys in a bubble and feel safe trading back and still nabbing one of them. I also think we could trade up from there if the guys in the bubble for around that pick are running out (like what happened with Cooks last year).
We basically had Mosley, Shazier, Cooks, another WR (Beckham most likely), and one other position I forget and after most of those guys went we started trying to trade up. So that could happen again or we might not be able to trade up amd then will likely look to trade back if everyone is gone.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 8:01 pm to Meep
I think they will get lucky...Kendricks will drop and they'll grab him at 31.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 8:07 pm to smash williams
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I think they will get lucky...Kendricks will drop and they'll grab him at 31.
This just may happen. He keeps slowly slipping in rankings. If hes there at 31 I think you have to take him.
There's no way we waste a pick in the 1st or 2nd on a TE. Probably not even a 3rd.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 8:12 pm to smash williams
If we seriously are considering a tight end Nick O'LEARY will be around possibly in the 4th. I have no idea why he's not rated higher. Dude can block, is athletic and physical also bailed Jameis out on numerous occasions.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 8:16 pm to NamariTiger
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If we seriously are considering a tight end Nick O'LEARY will be around possibly in the 4th. I have no idea why he's not rated higher. Dude can block, is athletic and physical also bailed Jameis out on numerous occasions.
Because he's not athletic.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 8:19 pm to NamariTiger
Because we are waiting until next year to draft Hunter Henry after he forgoes his senior year. 
Posted on 4/9/15 at 8:24 pm to smash williams
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Kendricks will drop and they'll grab him at 31.
Kendricks is a stud.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 8:31 pm to Meep
It depends on who we take with #13.
But good value positions at #31 are WR, edge player, ILB, OG, and maybe DT.
And I'd be more disappointed if we take DGB than if we take Agholor. Don't want DGB at all. Great talent, and we all know about his issues off the field but he has just as many issues on the field. DGB is going to need time to develop before he becomes an impact player. He's extremely raw with his route running, struggles to get off the line and into his routes vs press coverage, not that good at finding soft spots in D and getting open, doesn't create that much separation, slow when adjusting routes, and is easy to read for a DB.
Physically, he has all the tools in the world. But he's extremely raw and has relied on his size and athletic abilty instead of the fundamentals and technique. The only way to improve at that is working at it, and his work ethic is very suspect. In the NFL, that equals an inconsistent player. Plus, he hasn't played a snap since 2013. And that's just on the field issues. And I can handle a college kid that makes a mistake and learns from it. But DGB constantly was an issue. 2 incidents with weed and then a burglary where he pushed a woman down stairs. I can handle the weed and petty issues, but being involved in a burglary where he pushed a women down some stairs after he was caught multiple times with weed is the icing on the cake for me.
Love his size and athleticism, hate his fundamentals, technique, work ethic and his off the field issues. Too many negatives for me and not a fit in our locker room.
And weren't you the guy that didn't wanna get Perriman at #31 because he's not a polished WR and a bit raw? You do realize that DGB is in the exact same boat and has off the field issues and questions work ethic on top of that.
Edit: yes you were... This is your exact quote
But good value positions at #31 are WR, edge player, ILB, OG, and maybe DT.
And I'd be more disappointed if we take DGB than if we take Agholor. Don't want DGB at all. Great talent, and we all know about his issues off the field but he has just as many issues on the field. DGB is going to need time to develop before he becomes an impact player. He's extremely raw with his route running, struggles to get off the line and into his routes vs press coverage, not that good at finding soft spots in D and getting open, doesn't create that much separation, slow when adjusting routes, and is easy to read for a DB.
Physically, he has all the tools in the world. But he's extremely raw and has relied on his size and athletic abilty instead of the fundamentals and technique. The only way to improve at that is working at it, and his work ethic is very suspect. In the NFL, that equals an inconsistent player. Plus, he hasn't played a snap since 2013. And that's just on the field issues. And I can handle a college kid that makes a mistake and learns from it. But DGB constantly was an issue. 2 incidents with weed and then a burglary where he pushed a woman down stairs. I can handle the weed and petty issues, but being involved in a burglary where he pushed a women down some stairs after he was caught multiple times with weed is the icing on the cake for me.
Love his size and athleticism, hate his fundamentals, technique, work ethic and his off the field issues. Too many negatives for me and not a fit in our locker room.
And weren't you the guy that didn't wanna get Perriman at #31 because he's not a polished WR and a bit raw? You do realize that DGB is in the exact same boat and has off the field issues and questions work ethic on top of that.
Edit: yes you were... This is your exact quote
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The team isn't in the position to take a shot on what might be at #31. You take the sure prospect at a need position or trade back.
This post was edited on 4/9/15 at 8:42 pm
Posted on 4/10/15 at 10:07 am to bonethug0108
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then will likely look to trade back if everyone is gone.
For whatever reason, it seems this is not in the FO's/Payton's DNA. With 9 picks and multiple 3rd rounders, history tells me they'll try to move up a few spots
Posted on 4/10/15 at 10:13 am to adono
Breshad Perriman WR - UCF or Jaelen Strong WR – Az St
Posted on 4/10/15 at 10:46 am to jralspanky
For 31 I hope to either trade up to ensure another top 20 player or move down.
Trade up would be for ensuring 2 of;
Sherff (Kelemete showed promise last season)
Collins
Shelton
Gregory
Dupree
Ray
Waynes
Kendricks
I really dont want to see a WR taken in 1st. Our offense has shown it doesn't need elite WRs and with Cooks being in year two, spiller coming in, and Josh Hill showing he can be productive, I think we will be fine. This WR class is deep and we could land a decent one in the 3rd or 5th.
If we cant land these players hopefully we trade back and acquire an additional 2nd and 3rd. We would be able to fill all positional needs, maybe not pro bowlers, but hopefully legit starters.
Trade up would be for ensuring 2 of;
Sherff (Kelemete showed promise last season)
Collins
Shelton
Gregory
Dupree
Ray
Waynes
Kendricks
I really dont want to see a WR taken in 1st. Our offense has shown it doesn't need elite WRs and with Cooks being in year two, spiller coming in, and Josh Hill showing he can be productive, I think we will be fine. This WR class is deep and we could land a decent one in the 3rd or 5th.
If we cant land these players hopefully we trade back and acquire an additional 2nd and 3rd. We would be able to fill all positional needs, maybe not pro bowlers, but hopefully legit starters.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 10:51 am to LSU4ever2002
I know the TE class is not very good this year, but would Funchess be a sensible player to look at for our offense?
I know he cant block, but Jimmy was no road grader himself.
I know he cant block, but Jimmy was no road grader himself.
This post was edited on 4/10/15 at 10:52 am
Posted on 4/10/15 at 11:00 am to chatchit42
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but would Funchess be a sensible player to look at for our offense?
If you're gonna go that route, I'd rather go with Maxx Wiliams (i think) type of guy
Posted on 4/10/15 at 11:00 am to chatchit42
I dont see why not, he could def be the eventual Colston replacement, but hopefully Coleman has improved. Wouldnt want to take him until after the 3rd round though.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 11:34 am to LSU4ever2002
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I dont see why not, he could def be the eventual Colston replacement, but hopefully Coleman has improved. Wouldnt want to take him until after the 3rd round though.
We really don't know what we have in the WR department.
Does Colston have anything left in the tank?
Can Cooks come back from the injury and show progress as a second year player?
Will Morgan prove he really belongs as a starter in the NFL?
What do we really have in Toon, Jones, Coleman and Tanner? We kept these guys around but it's time for them to produce or go home.
IMO, Jones is the guy most likely to show the biggest improvement. He seems to produce every time he's given a chance.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 11:46 am to adono
I agree we dont exactly know what we have at Wr, but I have more faith in an unknown at WR stepping up more so than any other position on this team. Brees can make a WR as good as any other qb.
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