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re: If you played a 1 man scramble at the Masters, would you still finish dead last?
Posted on 3/31/15 at 11:34 am to lsupride87
Posted on 3/31/15 at 11:34 am to lsupride87
Tee to green scratch amateurs aren't that far off of PGA pros. It's around the greens that PGA pros nuke non-pros. With the ability to re-putt every green, this advantage would be lessened.
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Posted on 3/31/15 at 11:35 am to tiderider
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if the pros have a lot of trouble hitting the green with their 1st shot, do you really think you're guaranteed to hit it with your 2nd shot?
No, but it would sure help my odds. That's basic math. If a 65% FT shooter missed his first free throw, law of avgs says he's more likely to make his second. Same thing goes with hitting the fairway.
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... and an extra ball will not help an amateur golfer on the chips at augusta ... you could hit 100 chips and it wouldn't help ...
On some chips it wouldn't, but on some it absolutely would. If one doesn't roll out the way I thought it would and ends up 5 feet above the hole, and then my next one ends up 2-3 feet below the hole because I adjusted that is a BIG difference.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 11:36 am to SoFla Tideroller
Scratch golfers aren't close tee to green either. Mostly in power.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 11:36 am to Random LSU Hero
Yes I would finish last
Posted on 3/31/15 at 11:38 am to Sofa King Crimson
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I doubt there is anyone here who would break 90(maybe a couple who would break 100) at Augusta when set up for the Masters. Even the college players.
THis is fricking retarded.
This a one-man scramble. A good golfer should break 80 at Augusta. That is an absolutely absurd advantage. You never hit hazards, you never hit OB, you know the read and speed of every putt, you can attack holes if your first shot is good and/or safe. I rarely hit driver even though I kill it because its not consistently straight. I could hit 3-iron down the fairway every hole and then crank a driver. I bet half of those would be good enough to play.
A normal course, I'd easily be under par with that after practicing for a couple weeks and getting my swing back.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 11:39 am to SoFla Tideroller
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Tee to green scratch amateurs aren't that far off of PGA pros. It's around the greens that PGA pros nuke non-pros. With the ability to re-putt every green, this advantage would be lessened.
Very true.
Re-putting and chipping every single time knowing the read and speed is just a stupid advantage. The greens are where the Masters are just absurd and that would really help.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 11:41 am to tiderider
Didn't Tiger say that he thought your local club pro wouldn't break 100 with the championship setup?
So, let's look at this mathematically, using 100 as the hypothetical starting point.
Now, I'm not sure how much the second shot would help from the tee. Those fairways are super tight, but let's assume that 50% of your 8 driver shots are improved (no OBs, decent lies). - 4 strokes.
Getting you closer on approach shots will probably improve your putting chances and/or allow you to have a mulligan for putting it in the water on 1/4 of the holes. - 4 strokes.
It will certainly help you around the greens.
- 25% improvement on sand/chipping. - 4 strokes
- 50% improvement on putting. - 9 strokes.
So, that's 21 strokes, which puts a good golfer somewhere around 80.
I don't think it's unreasonable for someone to 1 man scramble his way into the cut.
On the other hand, if you give any of the pros or Top 10 amateurs this advantage, there's a high probability that they wear the green jacket.
So, let's look at this mathematically, using 100 as the hypothetical starting point.
Now, I'm not sure how much the second shot would help from the tee. Those fairways are super tight, but let's assume that 50% of your 8 driver shots are improved (no OBs, decent lies). - 4 strokes.
Getting you closer on approach shots will probably improve your putting chances and/or allow you to have a mulligan for putting it in the water on 1/4 of the holes. - 4 strokes.
It will certainly help you around the greens.
- 25% improvement on sand/chipping. - 4 strokes
- 50% improvement on putting. - 9 strokes.
So, that's 21 strokes, which puts a good golfer somewhere around 80.
I don't think it's unreasonable for someone to 1 man scramble his way into the cut.
On the other hand, if you give any of the pros or Top 10 amateurs this advantage, there's a high probability that they wear the green jacket.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 11:43 am to crimsonian
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Some of us have played PGA Tour setups.
I have several times, albeit never Augusta. I definitely would beat 83-85 or whatever that worst missed cut score was. I would think high 70s is where I'd be.
2 shots every time? Are you kidding? Completely negates risk on most shots and allows you to re-putt knowing read and speed.
Ridiculous advantage.
Cool question though. I like thinking about it.
This post was edited on 3/31/15 at 11:45 am
Posted on 3/31/15 at 11:46 am to Mahootney
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Didn't Tiger say that he thought your local club pro wouldn't break 100 with the championship setup?
That's quite a dumb, sweeping statement. I know some damn good +1/+2 semi-pro club pros and I know some with 10 handicaps.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 11:52 am to Mahootney
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Now, I'm not sure how much the second shot would help from the tee. Those fairways are super tight, but let's assume that 50% of your 8 driver shots are improved
50%?!?
I won't miss a fairway by much, if at all, with my 5 iron. Hit that first on every hole and second if I do happen to miss fairway. Then hit driver if I hit good first shot. Worst case scenario I'm in the fairway or second cut which isn't bad at Augusta. Best case I'm cranked down the middle with driver.
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Getting you closer on approach shots will probably improve your putting chances and/or allow you to have a mulligan for putting it in the water on 1/4 of the holes.
Hitting nearly every fairway is only going to help you on 4 holes?
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- 25% improvement on sand/chipping. - 4 strokes
You would never be in the sand. Chipping would improve insanely. The chips that run off the green back into a bowl behind it and leave you with nothing would not exist. You'd get to redo those.
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- 50% improvement on putting. - 9 strokes.
Re-doing every putt, for me, at Augusta would save me probably 10 strokes at the least. The putts that go 20 feet past wouldn't happen. The putts that run off the green wouldn't happen. The missed 3 footers wouldn't happen nearly as much.
This is just a ridiculous advantage. A good golfer with experience in tournament play should break 80 IMO.
This post was edited on 3/31/15 at 11:54 am
Posted on 3/31/15 at 11:59 am to TheCaterpillar
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I won't miss a fairway by much, if at all, with my 5 iron. Hit that first on every hole and second if I do happen to miss fairway.
If you're hitting 5 iron on every hole, you're probably not going to be hitting very many greens in regulation. Maybe take 3 wood off the tee, and if that doesn't work take driver. I don't know if you've been to Augusta before but TV doesn't do it justice on how hilly it is. Hitting a long iron into almost all of those greens isn't going to end up well for you.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 12:03 pm to Sofa King Crimson
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lol of course. Even the best golfers on this board would shoot +30 or more with that format.
This is absolutely laughable.
I know for a fact there is a poster on this board who beat Oliver Goss (the low am last year who played at Tennessee until this season) in a college match last season.
You don't think he could easily beat him with 2 shots to hit every shot?
Posted on 3/31/15 at 12:04 pm to Random LSU Hero
Two years ago I was a 7hdcp....at that I point I could have easily shot 85 in a 1 man scramble at Augusta. The problem with most amateurs is we take a bogey hole and turn it into a triple. The ability to get a mulligan on every shot would be huge.
Notice I did not say shoot 85 at the Masters.....the crowds and the pressure would likely be to much for me to overcome nerves.
Notice I did not say shoot 85 at the Masters.....the crowds and the pressure would likely be to much for me to overcome nerves.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 12:15 pm to crimsonian
This guy here is so full of shite..LOL
Posted on 3/31/15 at 12:18 pm to TigerBait2008
Explain
Posted on 3/31/15 at 12:20 pm to TigerBait2008
Disagree. I'd guess he's probably a +2-3 handicap and if that's the case I honestly think he could shoot even in a scramble.
I could be wrong though.
I could be wrong though.
This post was edited on 3/31/15 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 3/31/15 at 12:23 pm to Dawgsontop34
Posted on 3/31/15 at 12:24 pm to Pettifogger
I played college golf at University or Arizona, played professionally for a while, played in a U.S. Amatuer...
Give me two swings every time around any course and I'm breaking par more often than not. I would be nervous sure... But I get two swings and two putts every time. I think I would be in the hunt on sunday
Give me two swings every time around any course and I'm breaking par more often than not. I would be nervous sure... But I get two swings and two putts every time. I think I would be in the hunt on sunday
Posted on 3/31/15 at 12:25 pm to AZTiger7072
Yep
Posted on 3/31/15 at 12:27 pm to AZTiger7072
quote:You should be breaking course records with 2 shots.
I'm breaking par more often than not.
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