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LSU Baseball's pitching decision from Friday Night: Someone explain them to me..
Posted on 3/30/15 at 10:21 am
Posted on 3/30/15 at 10:21 am
We cruised through 6IP without giving up a run and Poche looked sharp. In the 7th, we let him throw the wheels off of his outing and gave up a crooked number. After throwing Bugg for 1/3rd of an inning and then bringing in Person who had a shaky outing, we then turn it over to Stallings for the better part of 4 innings.
My question is if you're willing to extend Stallings almost 4 solid IP, then why did we hesitate and/or leave Poche out there to twist in the 7th? The decisions on their faces don't seem to make sense to me.
Were you trying to spare your bullpen in the 7th? Then why throw two guys for a combined 1.1IP and then let your closer extend out to 3.2?
Why not bring in the closer to start with? You brought in Bugg to get out of the 7th, so it wasn't a situational lefty vs lefty, righty vs righty matchup decision.
I just want to get some clarity here as to why we make the moves that we do with our pitching staff. Because when I add them up they seem to not make sense. With Mainieri being a super-detail oriented guy who manages a lot like a MLB ballclub is handled, I still don't see the logic behind the decisions Friday.
Can someone help me with those? I don't profess to be an inside-baseball type. But I want to make sense of why we left the starter to twist, then ran through two others in quick succession and then extended our closer way out.
My question is if you're willing to extend Stallings almost 4 solid IP, then why did we hesitate and/or leave Poche out there to twist in the 7th? The decisions on their faces don't seem to make sense to me.
Were you trying to spare your bullpen in the 7th? Then why throw two guys for a combined 1.1IP and then let your closer extend out to 3.2?
Why not bring in the closer to start with? You brought in Bugg to get out of the 7th, so it wasn't a situational lefty vs lefty, righty vs righty matchup decision.
I just want to get some clarity here as to why we make the moves that we do with our pitching staff. Because when I add them up they seem to not make sense. With Mainieri being a super-detail oriented guy who manages a lot like a MLB ballclub is handled, I still don't see the logic behind the decisions Friday.
Can someone help me with those? I don't profess to be an inside-baseball type. But I want to make sense of why we left the starter to twist, then ran through two others in quick succession and then extended our closer way out.
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Posted on 3/30/15 at 10:22 am to GFunk
This was discussed ad nauseam on Friday.
Nobody knows.
Nobody knows.
Posted on 3/30/15 at 10:25 am to GFunk
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I just want to get some clarity
We all want that.
Mainieri was in a "funk".
Posted on 3/30/15 at 10:29 am to GFunk
quote:You aren't remembering this correctly. Person retired all 3 batters he faced, striking out 2. Makes it even more perplexing that he brought in stallings to replace him.
then bringing in Person who had a shaky outing,
Posted on 3/30/15 at 10:30 am to OneMoreTime
Yeah, Person should've gone at least another inning after that. Especially if the alternative was to throw your closer for a career high in innings.
Posted on 3/30/15 at 10:30 am to OneMoreTime
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OneMoreTime
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You aren't remembering this correctly. Person retired all 3 batters he faced, striking out 2. Makes it even more perplexing that he brought in stallings to replace him.
You're absolutely right. I was mistaken. He pitched a flawless 8th.
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Kentucky 8th - Person to p for Bugg. K. Tom flied out to cf (0-0). JaVon Shelby struck out swinging (1-2). D. Hairston struck out swinging (3-2). 0 runs, 0 hits, 0 errors, 0 LOB.
Posted on 3/30/15 at 10:31 am to GFunk
Paul. Mainieri.
Posted on 3/30/15 at 10:32 am to GFunk
This much is a fact, because it has been proven for the last 9 years:
Paul Mainieri does not anticipate that the pitcher in the game will falter/tire. He rarely has a pitcher getting ready in the pen "in case" a rally start. Due to this lack of foresight, many pitchers are left on the mound for 2-3 batters more than they should be because relief pitchers are not yet ready.
For 9 years this has been happening.
Paul Mainieri does not anticipate that the pitcher in the game will falter/tire. He rarely has a pitcher getting ready in the pen "in case" a rally start. Due to this lack of foresight, many pitchers are left on the mound for 2-3 batters more than they should be because relief pitchers are not yet ready.
For 9 years this has been happening.
Posted on 3/30/15 at 10:35 am to GFunk
It made sense for Poche to come back for the 7th, his pitch count was really good through 6 and he looked solid until the 7th. That said, he was left in at least 2 batters too long. It was too close to not have someone at least warming up for a potential breakdown.
I didn't like bringing in Stallings in a non-save situation. It felt like CPM just assumed we would score, and followed the usual "Person in the 8th, Stallings in the 9th" pattern hoping it would work out. Unfortunately, we didn't score.
I didn't like bringing in Stallings in a non-save situation. It felt like CPM just assumed we would score, and followed the usual "Person in the 8th, Stallings in the 9th" pattern hoping it would work out. Unfortunately, we didn't score.
Posted on 3/30/15 at 10:36 am to GFunk
Mainieri screwed the pooch Friday night, being brutally honest he just didn't handle his pitchers in the same light that has brought him success the past few years.
He left Poche in way too long and gambled on LSU scoring in every bottom half that Stallings threw.
He definently learned from his mistake Friday...it cost LSU the game Sunday.
Moving forward the back end bullpen guys need to have a set role, let them pitch their inning against anyone they face without worrying if they'll be yanked if they walk or give up a hit.
He left Poche in way too long and gambled on LSU scoring in every bottom half that Stallings threw.
He definently learned from his mistake Friday...it cost LSU the game Sunday.
Moving forward the back end bullpen guys need to have a set role, let them pitch their inning against anyone they face without worrying if they'll be yanked if they walk or give up a hit.
Posted on 3/30/15 at 10:41 am to Adam4848
I seem to think we should go with Bugg in the 7th/8th on Friday, and then give it to Stallings in the 9th.
On Saturdays, use Bain from the 7th or 8th and then let Person close out.
On Sundays, you've got Bugg on limited duty with Stallings and then Johnny All-Staff.
It doesn't seem as complicated as we try our best to make it.
On Saturdays, use Bain from the 7th or 8th and then let Person close out.
On Sundays, you've got Bugg on limited duty with Stallings and then Johnny All-Staff.
It doesn't seem as complicated as we try our best to make it.
Posted on 3/30/15 at 10:53 am to Adam4848
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He left Poche in way too long
Are you talking in terms of the 7th inning or in terms of the game? There was literally no inclination that Poche was going to hit a wall. He was pitching great up until then.
Posted on 3/30/15 at 10:55 am to GFunk
To me you have
Closing games out-Bugg, Person, Stallings
Long relief-Bain, Newman
Then you have Strall and Cartwright who seem to be filler guys.
He needs to simplify the bullpen. The matchups are ideal in the 8th and 9th innings but that's only if you have a well rested pen.
Closing games out-Bugg, Person, Stallings
Long relief-Bain, Newman
Then you have Strall and Cartwright who seem to be filler guys.
He needs to simplify the bullpen. The matchups are ideal in the 8th and 9th innings but that's only if you have a well rested pen.
Posted on 3/30/15 at 10:56 am to GFunk
No matter who's pitching, if the starter is still in at the beginning of the 7th, we should have Person, Bugg or somebody at least loosening up in the pen. Just. In. Case. If the starter stays solid, fine. If he starts to struggle, he shouldn't have to face more than a batter or two before relief comes in.
Posted on 3/30/15 at 10:58 am to Adam4848
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Closing games out-Bugg, Person, Stallings
Strall has been more of a 7th inning/bridge guy than Bugg.
I'm actually not sure Bugg has a defined role in the pen.
Posted on 3/30/15 at 10:58 am to Broski
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Are you talking in terms of the 7th inning or in terms of the game? There was literally no inclination that Poche was going to hit a wall. He was pitching great up until then.
I think he means Poche was left in too long because nobody was ready when Poche started losing his stuff. So Poche gets in trouble, THEN we start to warm up a relief pitcher and it takes another 2-3 batters before he's ready. By then the damage is done.
Posted on 3/30/15 at 11:01 am to MountainTiger
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I think he means Poche was left in too long because nobody was ready when Poche started losing his stuff. So Poche gets in trouble, THEN we start to warm up a relief pitcher and it takes another 2-3 batters before he's ready. By then the damage is done.
When Poche is pitching well, you don't start warming a guy up to start an inning. That fricks with some pitchers' minds. The mistake was made when he didn't get someone up immediately after the first runner got on base.
Posted on 3/30/15 at 11:01 am to Broski
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Are you talking in terms of the 7th inning or in terms of the game? There was literally no inclination that Poche was going to hit a wall. He was pitching great up until then.
7th inning
Fly out, double, single, line out, single, single, single
When Poche tends to wear down he leaves the ball flat and gets knocked around, it was evident after the line out that he wasn't fooling the first four batters.
This post was edited on 3/30/15 at 11:03 am
Posted on 3/30/15 at 11:02 am to Broski
Give it a rest, it's been beat to death.
I said it after the Houston debacle and I will say it again, PM needs to let Dunn handle all pitching decisions and stay out of the way.
I said it after the Houston debacle and I will say it again, PM needs to let Dunn handle all pitching decisions and stay out of the way.
Posted on 3/30/15 at 11:02 am to Adam4848
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double
Right after that is where Bain should've started getting loose. Not a batter before, not a batter after.
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