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re: What's CJJ's annual salary? Where does it rank in the SEC?
Posted on 3/30/15 at 12:47 pm to SouthOfSouth
Posted on 3/30/15 at 12:47 pm to SouthOfSouth
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13. Rick Ray (Miss St) - $250,000
Holy shite, that is embarrassing.
LOL at State.
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Posted on 3/30/15 at 12:48 pm to SouthOfSouth
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12. Billy Kennedy (aTm) - $1,000,000
This man is extremely underpaid, as well.
Posted on 3/30/15 at 1:05 pm to Alt26
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Again, are you saying that Jones is underpaid, or are you saying that LSU should be willing to pay more for a HC?
I think we should be willing to pay more. One, we can afford it. Two, I think we should pay for where we want to be, not where we are, and if he doesn't meet those expectations, then you fire him. Three, it helps to attract top notch coaches during the next HC search.
Posted on 3/30/15 at 1:07 pm to UNO
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Holy shite, that is embarrassing.
LOL at State.
He's not even the coach anymore bro
Posted on 3/30/15 at 1:23 pm to Smalls
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I think we should be willing to pay more. One, we can afford it
Smalls, I'm embarrassed for you. Should all employees be paid more if their employers can "afford" it? Have you ever heard of profit? LSU wants to kick money back to the University.
Posted on 3/30/15 at 1:35 pm to SouthOfSouth
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Honestly, Jones is vastly underpaid.
Honestly, he has vastly underperformed. If not for the probable recruiting class next year, he would be on the hot seat next year, IMO
Posted on 3/30/15 at 1:36 pm to Smalls
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I think we should be willing to pay more. One, we can afford it. Two, I think we should pay for where we want to be, not where we are, and if he doesn't meet those expectations, then you fire him. Three, it helps to attract top notch coaches during the next HC search.
I think LSU is definitely willing to pay more if need be. But why pay Jones more when you don't have to? If you pay Jones for "where you want to be" instead of what the market dictates and he fails to meet expectations, then even if they fire him LSU has locked itself into a contract to pay the guy more than necessary. That makes no sense. Calipari, Pitino, Saban, Miles, etc are highly paid not solely because of their success, but because their employers want to make sure another employer doesn't take their winning coach. Hopefully that becomes an issue in the future with Jones, but right now no one is beating down his door thereby forcing LSU to increase his salary.
I think the perception is that LSU went "cheap" with the Jones hire. I don't think that is the case at all. The search lasted at least 10 days. If Jones was the number one target from the outset then they could have had him on day one. There would have been no need to waste time and money on a coaching search. Remember, even in the 2008 search the old players/Dale Brown faction was pushing for Jones to get the job then. I fully believe that in 2012 Alleva tried to lure a bigger name to LSU and that LSU was willing to spend much more than what they paid Jones. When he couldn't get a name markedly better than Jones (such as a Jamie Dixon then), he appeased the "powers that be" and hired Jones. But why pay Jones what you may have been willing to pay a guy like Dixon? There is a VAST difference in the level of success between the two.
Posted on 3/30/15 at 1:37 pm to Smalls
Nick Saban only makes 500k more than Calipari?
Wow.
Wow.
Posted on 3/30/15 at 1:41 pm to tigersbb
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It would probably take an unexpected blockbuster offer to entice him to leave but hope they reward him if the program continues to ascend. Lets not pull another Pat Henry or John Chavis penny wise pound foolish move. ( I know Chavis is the enemy now but they still bungled his deal)
While I like the guy and he def has injected some talent in the program. He was at north Texas for 12 years.
Posted on 3/30/15 at 1:46 pm to GeeOH
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Honestly, he has vastly underperformed. If not for the probable recruiting class next year, he would be on the hot seat next year, IMO
He has absolutely over produced compared to his salary. He made 9th most money last year and had LSU as the 3rd/4th best team. His $/win has to be near the top of the SEC.
I can appreciate the fact that the 1.1mm and not 1.5mm is reasonable given what he has accomplished before getting to LSU, but Jones and Kennedy at aTm have both outperformed their salary by a pretty significant amount when you take into account how good both of their recruiting classes are and the seasons they produced this past season.
Posted on 3/30/15 at 1:49 pm to dgnx6
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Lets not pull another Pat Henry or John Chavis penny wise pound foolish move. ( I know Chavis is the enemy now but they still bungled his deal)
Henry and Chavis had leverage.
1. Both had a long record of success and;
2. (Most importantly) both had other schools willing to pay top dollar for their services.
Jones has neither right now. I hope some of the people here don't run their own businesses. Jones has one good year at LSU with no other schools looking to hire him away and people want LSU to throw the bank at him!
Posted on 3/30/15 at 1:53 pm to Alt26
Jones needs to earn his money outside of pulling a few good recruits. He hasn't earned a raise. Giving him money just to not look cheap is stupid. He's not going anywhere. Like others have said, he has no leverage. He's not in high demand.
Making the tourney should maybe garner him some incentive (which I'm sure it did), but in this day and age (68 teams) it's not some huge feat.
Making the tourney should maybe garner him some incentive (which I'm sure it did), but in this day and age (68 teams) it's not some huge feat.
Posted on 3/30/15 at 1:57 pm to Penrod
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Smalls, I'm embarrassed for you. Should all employees be paid more if their employers can "afford" it? Have you ever heard of profit? LSU wants to kick money back to the University.
Get back to me when LSU Athletics doesn't turn a profit, kickback to the university included.
Posted on 3/30/15 at 1:57 pm to SouthOfSouth
Posted on 3/30/15 at 2:20 pm to Smalls
You get what you pay for. Kentucky sells their soul for men's basketball and they reap Final Fours and such. But just ask Kentucky how their football and baseball programs are doing.
If LSU wanted an elite basketball coach, they too would break the bank for top level talent. But then...Alex Box and Tiger Stadium would be empty. Curley and Smoke would be running the show.
Only so many dollars to allocate to a fixed number of programs. I guarantee that Kentucky win not win a NC in football or baseball anytime soon.
If LSU wanted an elite basketball coach, they too would break the bank for top level talent. But then...Alex Box and Tiger Stadium would be empty. Curley and Smoke would be running the show.
Only so many dollars to allocate to a fixed number of programs. I guarantee that Kentucky win not win a NC in football or baseball anytime soon.
Posted on 3/30/15 at 2:25 pm to SouthOfSouth
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Honestly, Jones is vastly underpaid. Happy birthday to Coach Jones!
Agreed. And fwiw, Coach Stallings is unposted because he works at a private school. Rest assured he's somewhere up in the top 5 or 6, so JJ is barely out of 13th place. And if Moo state was only paying RR 250 large then they damn sure shouldn't be complaining about what his record was. He over-achieved if those figures are accurate.
Posted on 3/30/15 at 3:01 pm to thunderbird1100
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If that is correct, then the 1.5 puts him in the ninth spot. Better, but still not high enough. Frankly, I just hate being a cheap program.
Never run a business
No kidding....lets pay a guy just because! I have ZERO qualms w letting him prove it. AND if he does, then pay the man accordingly!
Posted on 3/30/15 at 3:15 pm to GeeOH
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Honestly, he has vastly underperformed. If not for the probable recruiting class next year, he would be on the hot seat next year, IMO
How has he underperformed? He has easily overperformed compared to his salary. He has, at worst, lived up to reasonable expectations from when he was hired.
This post was edited on 3/30/15 at 3:17 pm
Posted on 3/30/15 at 3:19 pm to MottLaneKid
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If LSU wanted an elite basketball coach, they too would break the bank for top level talent. But then...Alex Box and Tiger Stadium would be empty. Curley and Smoke would be running the show.
A winning basketball team makes money.
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Only so many dollars to allocate to a fixed number of programs. I guarantee that Kentucky win not win a NC in football or baseball anytime soon.
And what about UF who has won multiple football NCs, multiple basketball NCs, and had a pretty good baseball team all around the same time
Posted on 3/30/15 at 3:26 pm to Smalls
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I think we should pay for where we want to be, not where we are, and if he doesn't meet those expectations, then you fire him.
I'd be more than willing to accept $1 mil to prove to LSU that I can't meet their expectations. Maybe they should hire me to coach the basketball team.
Coaches should have to earn their big contracts. It's better for the schools in the long run. TAMU and Ole Miss are paying +$4 mil for football coaches that haven't finished higher than 3rd in the division. It's bad business to pay championship money to people who haven't proved they deserve it.
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