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re: Retail (legal) pot has zero health benefits due to cross breeding.
Posted on 3/29/15 at 11:25 am to mouton
Posted on 3/29/15 at 11:25 am to mouton
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I have suffered from insomnia for years. Marijuana works very well for me. What do you think is a safer and more effective alternative?
There probably isn't one other than melatonin and it doesn't work as well. It should be legal. If there is concern, make it rx only. But I think it should be every bit as legal as alcohol or tobacco. Neither of which are as useful as marijuana, but much more dangerous, addictive and unhealthy...Or high fat, high sugar processed foods
Posted on 3/29/15 at 11:25 am to LSU1NSEC
Only products with health benefits should be legal.
Except medical marijuana. That should be illegal, too.
Is that the logic?
Except medical marijuana. That should be illegal, too.
Is that the logic?
Posted on 3/29/15 at 11:25 am to Hopeful Doc
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I will admit that I do not know which cannabinoid is responsible for somnolence I am also not certain if it has detrimental effects on sleep like other substances like Alcohol, thus you'll see me abstain from mentioning those or recommending alcohol for sleep. Forgive my ignorance. I'm not a sleep expert. Here are my thoughts on the subject: 1) smoking it isn't good for your lungs. If you do choose to smoke it, use a filter of some sort. Unfiltered and you'll still run the higher risk of mouth/throat cancer (think of it not caused by tobacco or marijuana but by just irritating things in general, smoke with particulate matter being considered "irritating.") 2) when you say "safer," if you don't take into account social consequences, I've got nothing. But a Schedule I for personal use is a poor decision (regardless of how stupid its schedule status is and that's not my point). If you're in a couple of states, you're about as safe as with anything else. If you've got any first degree relative with schizophrenia, you should seek an alternative. If you are a heavy user, be aware that hyperemesis (unstoppable vomiting) can be induced by marijuana, and I've seen it severe enough to perforate the esophagus of a pair of young (20s) guys. It's life-threatening. If you don't feel otherwise I'll but can't stop throwing up, particularly if you ever cut down or off the amount you take it, seek medical treatment. It's not a scare tactic to get you to stop, nor am I recommending that you cease to use marijuana because of it- it's information for you and nothing more. Everything has a life-threatening side effect in medicine. People should know them. 3) sleep hygiene is highly effective. It's also highly impractical. There's plenty of reading online, I can expand if you'd like. But basically, your room is a dark place for you to have sex, sleep, and change your clothes. Training your body to sleep in your room works. Again, impractical. There are other tidbits if it interests you. This would, technically, be safer than a pharmaceutical intervention. I don't expect that you'll try it or have success with it. Behavior changing is always the most effective treatment, but it's stupidly hard and people are unwilling to do it. I, myself, suffer from insomnia and have terrible sleep hygiene. I know how to fix it. I just don't. Thus, my low expectations for you (generic "you") 4) safe, effective (neither safeR or MORE effective were said): Melatonin- probably not helpful in someone who has tried "more serious" things. A great place to start for any insomniac. Wouldn't hurt to try. Cheap and OTC, 10mg recommended dose. I myself take 5mg with good success. Benadryl and other first generation anti-histamines, particularly vistaril, are effective. On a psych ward full of substance abusers, it got the majority of them to sleep quickly with no complaints. Minimal side effect profile in a young, otherwise healthy individual. Vistaril is the better option- it's Rx only. Benadryl is similar and OTC, but it's less effective and the doses aren't to promote sleep (so it works, but you're using it despite it not being bred/tailored for the right thing). There are a couple of things labeled as anti-psychotics that are effective. Seroquel is the most neutral of them. I forget if it's weight-neutral or possibly caused people to put on a little weight. But it's very safe and effective. There are also a handful of anti-seizure meds that do good work here. Things like Ambien and Valium and those classes are not good due to high potential for abuse as well as, similar to alcohol (working on the same receptor, actually), lead to a "restless" sleep. So you sleep more, but the quality of the sleep is worse. Some people function fine with it. Some do not. If you are legitimately interested in stopping, there are equally safe and effective alternatives that have no social drawbacks- harm reduction is an important aspect of medicine that is overlooked (and irrelevant if you're a Washington or Oregon guy, almost definitely. Unless you've got a certain kind of job). If you're not, please take into consideration the damaging effects of smoking and opt for another route of ingestion. And, as always, just be safe
There's no way you are on a phone.
Posted on 3/29/15 at 11:26 am to SDVTiger
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Are you scared higher THC will make the already rambunctious stoners act even more intense?
I'll find a link if you don't believe me, but hospital admissions for THC-induced psychosis are on the rise.
Again, I'm not saying anything about legalization being good or bad. Just trying to point out that there are consequences that aren't widely reported/thought of. This one is mainly in people with relatives who have schizophrenia. Can occur in someone who is "normal" too, and more and more of the latter present to the ER. A product of more thc? Possibly. Positively? No.
Posted on 3/29/15 at 11:29 am to LesMiles BFF
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There's no way you are on a phone.
5s. With fat thumbs, to boot. Otherwise it would have been posted faster.
Posted on 3/29/15 at 11:32 am to Hopeful Doc
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I'll find a link if you don't believe me, but hospital admissions for THC-induced psychosis are on the rise.
Ive seen buddies of mine have to go to the hospital they were barfing eyes turned purple etc. Next day they were perfectly fine.
Induced psychosis is just a medical term for they cant handle it.
Posted on 3/29/15 at 11:32 am to LSU1NSEC
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Not so much anti-marijuana as 'anti-bullshite-propaganda'. Give the people the facts about it before it's legalized.
you are telling us "facts" like how Fox News and MSNBC report the "truth"
Posted on 3/29/15 at 11:39 am to Hopeful Doc
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Hopeful Doc
What kind of doctor are you? I'm a med student and you're far and away my favorite poster on this site. I love reading your posts.
Posted on 3/29/15 at 11:42 am to cwil177
4th year med student. I'll be going to a (redacted) residency program in July HopefulDocTD at that google Mail place if you'd like.
This post was edited on 3/29/15 at 12:28 pm
Posted on 3/29/15 at 11:45 am to LSU1NSEC
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ne thing concerns me is that legal growers are breeding in higher and higher THC levels. Why?
Some people prefer to drink whiskey over beer. I find this concerning.
Posted on 3/29/15 at 11:46 am to LSU1NSEC
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Not so much anti-marijuana as 'anti-bullshite-propaganda'. Give the people the facts about it before it's legalized.
They didn't give the people any facts when they made it illegal. That was all based on propaganda. Jesus, didn't you even watch "Grass?"
Posted on 3/29/15 at 11:46 am to LSU1NSEC
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When you have to lie about something it always raises red flags.
Noooooo....I'm sure Henry Anslinger had nothing but great intentions when he made it illegal.
Posted on 3/29/15 at 11:51 am to LSU1NSEC
quote:I have no problem admitting this. But I also think it is a liberty issue.
Just come out and say you want it legalized so you can get baked.
Posted on 3/29/15 at 12:04 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
Can someone tell me a good reason marijuana should remain illegal?
I'd be open to discussing that, but no one has ever given me one.
I'd be open to discussing that, but no one has ever given me one.
Posted on 3/29/15 at 12:13 pm to LSU1NSEC
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I'd respect the pro-legalization argument much more if they'd just skip all the medical miracle stuff and state that people just want to get high.
When you have to lie about something it always raises red flags
There are plenty of medicinal uses for Marijuana, and plenty of research to back that up. You claim that you are undecided because of 'lies', but it seems like you you are the one lying.
Posted on 3/29/15 at 12:13 pm to LSU1NSEC
Retail store /= medical dispensary. High CBD/ low THC strains (see Charlotte's Web) are readily available at medical shops. The retail stores are specifically for people who just want to get high. I don't understand the point of this thread.
This post was edited on 3/29/15 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 3/29/15 at 12:15 pm to biglego
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its a huge issue for me and I'm an adult with a family. It should be a huge issue for any American who values common sense, liberty, tax dollar waste, and/or medicinal needs.
Exactly, and if someone doesn't understand that, then I question their intelligence.
Posted on 3/29/15 at 12:15 pm to saint amant steve
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quote: Retail (legal) alcohol and cigarettes has zero health benefits. Uh...red wine?
Recent articles on red wine I've read pretty much refute any health benefits.
Posted on 3/29/15 at 12:30 pm to Oyster
There are a lot of different methods for consumption in Colorado besides smoking. Vaping, edibles, tincitures. Retail tends to be about high thc count, but there are lots of high cbd strains available, that are also available as edibles or concentrates. With concentrates, you can't smoke them (or at least nobody does because it's wasteful and ineffective), people vaporize them.
Posted on 3/29/15 at 12:33 pm to LSU1NSEC
This post was edited on 3/29/15 at 12:35 pm
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