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Posted on 3/28/15 at 9:34 pm to bapple
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The more a loaded firearm is handled, the greater the chances of a cop negligently discharging it. I don't know why they insist on unloading it and calling it in. It makes the entire situation more dangerous for both parties.
Just leave the damn thing alone, write the ticket, and be on your way.
because it makes the cop feel all manly and authoritative. If he were worried about his safety, he would just ask the citizen to step out of the vehicle, lock the vehicle, and have him bring the keys. then when the traffic stop is over hand the citizen the keys.
Posted on 3/28/15 at 9:37 pm to bulldog95
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Backup showed up and removed my gun, unloaded it, took out magazine, and called in the numbers.
Asked me when and where I bought it, what kind it was.
self important dumbasses. gotta call in backup
sorry you had to waste your time
Posted on 3/28/15 at 10:06 pm to bulldog95
What were you pulled over for? Did he ask for permission to enter your vehicle?
Posted on 3/28/15 at 10:14 pm to bulldog95
Just talked with a friend that is a deputy. This is what he had to say about this situation.
"Courts have said in a traffic stop, if gun is in car and within wingspan of occupants. It can be retreived for officer safety. The making it safe is no big deal. Running the numbers. Just making sure it's not stolen. My pistol was stolen in Amarillo and recovered in a manner very much like the one you described. I have no problem with the way this went down. It keeps officers safe. Respects the integrity of the weapon by recovering if stolen since its in the officers possession lawfully and temporarily. And it is returned to the lawful owner following the stop. No harm no foul here"
"Courts have said in a traffic stop, if gun is in car and within wingspan of occupants. It can be retreived for officer safety. The making it safe is no big deal. Running the numbers. Just making sure it's not stolen. My pistol was stolen in Amarillo and recovered in a manner very much like the one you described. I have no problem with the way this went down. It keeps officers safe. Respects the integrity of the weapon by recovering if stolen since its in the officers possession lawfully and temporarily. And it is returned to the lawful owner following the stop. No harm no foul here"
Posted on 3/28/15 at 10:23 pm to dandug001
Correct me if I'm wrong but for a citizen in LA without a CC permit a firearm ca n be stored anywhere in the vehicle legally and the citizen does not have to notify authority.
With a CC permit you must disclose to the authority where the gun is.
Something about the vehicle being an extension of your home.
With a CC permit you must disclose to the authority where the gun is.
Something about the vehicle being an extension of your home.
Posted on 3/28/15 at 10:52 pm to dandug001
MJ2, it's not an "extension of your home" since it is looked at differently in the courts. But, it is contained in your property and is in fact legal without a permit.
Bunch of horse shite. If I have not committed a crime related to my firearm, there is no need to disarm me and call in backup like I'm some threat.
This is one of the big reasons there is such a disconnect between citizens and LE. When every cop treats every citizen like a suspect without using some common sense, we all get knocked down a peg in their eyes.
I'm all for being polite and courteous but I hate how they have to be on a pedestal versus us citizens. If LE claim to be conservative and pro-freedom, this shite shouldn't happen. Like someone else said, have the citizen get out and lock the car, and then return after the stop.
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"Courts have said in a traffic stop, if gun is in car and within wingspan of occupants. It can be retreived for officer safety. The making it safe is no big deal. Running the numbers. Just making sure it's not stolen. My pistol was stolen in Amarillo and recovered in a manner very much like the one you described. I have no problem with the way this went down. It keeps officers safe. Respects the integrity of the weapon by recovering if stolen since its in the officers possession lawfully and temporarily. And it is returned to the lawful owner following the stop. No harm no foul here"
Bunch of horse shite. If I have not committed a crime related to my firearm, there is no need to disarm me and call in backup like I'm some threat.
This is one of the big reasons there is such a disconnect between citizens and LE. When every cop treats every citizen like a suspect without using some common sense, we all get knocked down a peg in their eyes.
I'm all for being polite and courteous but I hate how they have to be on a pedestal versus us citizens. If LE claim to be conservative and pro-freedom, this shite shouldn't happen. Like someone else said, have the citizen get out and lock the car, and then return after the stop.
Posted on 3/28/15 at 11:04 pm to bapple
I've been pulled over several times with firearms, not once asked to even see them.
I set the alarm off at my parents house and couldn't remember the code. Made a pot of coffee and waited for the sheriff to show up. Told him I was CCing. Deputy told me to keep it concealed and everyone stays happy.
Following the law and complying does not mean you have to surrender your rights.
I set the alarm off at my parents house and couldn't remember the code. Made a pot of coffee and waited for the sheriff to show up. Told him I was CCing. Deputy told me to keep it concealed and everyone stays happy.
Following the law and complying does not mean you have to surrender your rights.
This post was edited on 3/28/15 at 11:06 pm
Posted on 3/28/15 at 11:15 pm to Ice Cream Sammich
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Deputy told me to keep it concealed and everyone stays happy.
This is how it should be handled every time. Period.
Posted on 3/29/15 at 12:07 am to oleyeller
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i dont see a problem with it. If your not doing anything illegal absolutely nothing would come out of this and no one would be worried.
Your average law enforcement officer has only the most basic knowledge of the law, you are making a big assumption that they can distinguish what is legal and illegal in every case. I could fill this page with a list of civil judgments against municipalities where a person was arrested for doing something perfectly legal.
Posted on 3/29/15 at 12:11 am to bapple
This issued has been discussed here before.
I know many here don't like it but the law is going to favor officer safety in this situation.
Generally I ask wether a weapon is present in the vehicle or the drivers person immediately after identifying the driver and informing him/her of the nature of the stop. It is a very important question.
I know many here don't like it but the law is going to favor officer safety in this situation.
Generally I ask wether a weapon is present in the vehicle or the drivers person immediately after identifying the driver and informing him/her of the nature of the stop. It is a very important question.
Posted on 3/29/15 at 12:21 am to Who Me
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the law is going to favor officer safety in this situation. Generally I ask wether a weapon is present in the vehicle or the drivers person immediately after identifying the driver and informing him/her of the nature of the stop. It is a very important question.
So I guess your average cop-killing criminal is dissuaded from doing so, and usually willfully surrenders their firearm, simply by being asked if there is one (a firearm) in the vehicle?
Posted on 3/29/15 at 12:28 am to Soul Gleaux
Walker road.
No he walked up to my truck and asked for license, registration, and proof of insurance. He then asked if I had any weapons. I said yeah I have a 9mm in my center console. He asked me to step out and come back to his car with him. While he was running my name the other officer pulled up and asked me what type of gun and where it was.
He retrieved it at which point I told him there was one hot in the chamber. He placed that bullet, the magazine, and my gun on the hood of the car and then started shooting the shite while waiting on the registration to run. When it came back clean he placed all of it back into my vehicle and said I really like that gun it feels good in my hand. Biggest thing I took from it he said I placed your clip back in the center console. Did he just say Clip and not magazine.
The other officer gave my credentials back, let me off with a warning (expired license plate) and I got in my vehicle and left.
End of story. Never asked if they could search my vehicle they just did.
No he walked up to my truck and asked for license, registration, and proof of insurance. He then asked if I had any weapons. I said yeah I have a 9mm in my center console. He asked me to step out and come back to his car with him. While he was running my name the other officer pulled up and asked me what type of gun and where it was.
He retrieved it at which point I told him there was one hot in the chamber. He placed that bullet, the magazine, and my gun on the hood of the car and then started shooting the shite while waiting on the registration to run. When it came back clean he placed all of it back into my vehicle and said I really like that gun it feels good in my hand. Biggest thing I took from it he said I placed your clip back in the center console. Did he just say Clip and not magazine.
The other officer gave my credentials back, let me off with a warning (expired license plate) and I got in my vehicle and left.
End of story. Never asked if they could search my vehicle they just did.
This post was edited on 3/29/15 at 12:31 am
Posted on 3/29/15 at 12:39 am to Soul Gleaux
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So I guess your average cop-killing criminal is dissuaded from doing so, and usually willfully surrenders their firearm, simply by being asked if there is one (a firearm) in the vehicle?
Don't be so short sighted. Just because someone admits to carrying a firearm does not mean they are not a threat. It may make it less likely but it does not suddenly make them less dangerous. Some people are super anti-government and look for confrontations with officers. They would tell the officer that they have a weapon just to have a roadside confrontation about it.
Officers are conducting miniature roadside investigations on each traffic stop. Besides the obvious answer to the question officers often are looking to see what the drivers response will be to certain questions. There are plenty of instances where drivers will readily admit to all sorts of criminal behavior just by the officer asking a few questions.
Posted on 3/29/15 at 12:46 am to Who Me
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There are plenty of instances where drivers will readily admit to all sorts of criminal behavior just by the officer asking a few questions.
And this is why it's best to say as few words as possible and not talk to police. They can pull some law right out of their arse as an excuse to search your vehicle. "Probable cause", "resisting", and "obstruction of justice" are universal go-ahead signals for them to use.
Posted on 3/29/15 at 12:46 am to bulldog95
I will add that I've had situations where I've disarmed the driver and situations where I haven't.
To lump every interaction such as the one in the op into one bag and pass judgement is just silly.
To lump every interaction such as the one in the op into one bag and pass judgement is just silly.
Posted on 3/29/15 at 12:49 am to bapple
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And this is why it's best to say as few words as possible and not talk to police.
That's certainly your right. Though most don't excercise it.
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They can pull some law right out of their arse as an excuse to search your vehicle. "Probable cause", "resisting", and "obstruction of justice" are universal go-ahead signals for them to use.
Now you are starting to make this read like threads on the Poli-board.
This post was edited on 3/29/15 at 12:53 am
Posted on 3/29/15 at 12:53 am to Who Me
It didn't bother me. I knew I was legally possessing a firearm and that I have never been arrested and only have 3 speeding tickets in 22 years of driving. I understand cops have to be careful I couldn't be one I'd be thinking every person I pulled over was just waiting to get me. They were cool and I was cool and it went fast and smooth.
Posted on 3/29/15 at 12:54 am to Who Me
Yes sir
No sir
Here's my info
Thank you
Have a nice day
Just those simple phrases can go along way in how a traffic stop goes.
No sir
Here's my info
Thank you
Have a nice day
Just those simple phrases can go along way in how a traffic stop goes.
Posted on 3/29/15 at 1:25 am to Who Me
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Now you are starting to make this read like threads on the Poli-board.
I'll draw the line there and leave it on an OB level.
Obviously I've learned to question most things in life and how we are policed is certainly near the top. But I've never been in that line of work day-in day-out so my opinion can only reach so far.
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