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re: Cockpit doors will open upon decompression...
Posted on 3/28/15 at 12:45 am to Cactus Tiger
Posted on 3/28/15 at 12:45 am to Cactus Tiger
My last post was a feeble attempt at humor, but is it really impossible to open an emergency exit or cabin door in flight? This has always been one of the scenarios in my mind where I would start whipping a stranger's arse, no questions asked. But if you're positive that door can't be opened, I think I'll probably just finish my cocktail and try to impress my seatmates with my calm and cool demeanor.
Posted on 3/28/15 at 1:20 am to EA6B
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The emergency doors open to the inside of the cabin, 1/4 of sea level is about 3.6PSI, the emergency door is about 28 x 60 inches, making the force on the door 6048PSI or a little over 3 tons, nobody is going to open the door with the cabin pressurized.
EDIT: Just reread and saw where you said it opens to the inside. Your point is legitimate, but your math is off.
Judging from your post, I don't think you have any grasp of how pressure or physics works.
EDIT: I semi-retract the above statement.
The inside of the plane is pressurized (so all of the force on the door is pushing outside to the area of low pressure). Fortunately, it's sealed in place by locking mechanisms. If a person were to disengage the locking mechanism the pressure differential would take over and push the door outside (so the 6048 lbs of force (not psi) exerted by the atmosphere on the door wouldn't stop the 14.7 psi (or with your measurements 24,696 lbs) pushing from the inside with the only possible thing holding it back being if the door is bigger on the inside and seated, which seems like a probable design feature to prevent an idiot from killing a bunch of people, but you're still depending on a thin piece of metal to hold back over 18,000 lbs...)
Furthermore, the pressure at altitude would be less than your conjecture based on Bernoulli's principle in which a moving fluid is at a lower pressure than the same fluid moving slower (it's the whole reason airplanes can fly in the first place). So the pressure gradient from inside to outside would be a bit more than what I said.
Sorry for rambling, but I'm bored and slightly inebriated.
This post was edited on 3/28/15 at 1:22 am
Posted on 3/28/15 at 3:17 am to BamaChemE
I think that opening any exterior door would be impossible in flight (post DB Cooper).
I still think that blunt force could penetrate the skin of the fuselage. What if there is an air marshal on the flight- putting a few slugs through the fuselage would probably cause a slow decompression- I'll bet the 02 masks would drop as well.
I still think that blunt force could penetrate the skin of the fuselage. What if there is an air marshal on the flight- putting a few slugs through the fuselage would probably cause a slow decompression- I'll bet the 02 masks would drop as well.
Posted on 3/28/15 at 4:20 pm to tsmi136
the pressure is on the inside
Posted on 3/28/15 at 4:46 pm to White Roach
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My last post was a feeble attempt at humor, but is it really impossible to open an emergency exit or cabin door in flight?
yes, if it is pressurized
Posted on 3/28/15 at 5:17 pm to 777Tiger
I am glad y'all cleared this up. I have been flying every other week for work, and I have wondered if some crazy person could just decide to try and open the door. Good to know it's impossible.
Posted on 3/28/15 at 5:59 pm to liz18lsu
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I have wondered if some crazy person could just decide to try and open the door.
they can't do it and unlike the movies, punching a small hole in the airplane is not a movie type catastrophe either, there are holes all over the airliner, constantly letting things in and out, and even the ammunition carried by the marshals is fuselage friendly, now you just have to worry about those zany pilots
This post was edited on 3/28/15 at 6:00 pm
Posted on 3/28/15 at 6:15 pm to pensacola
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I still think that blunt force could penetrate the skin of the fuselage. What if there is an air marshal on the flight- putting a few slugs through the fuselage would probably cause a slow decompression- I'll bet the 02 masks would drop as well.
LINK
This is a Mytbusters episode covering explosive decompression of a aircraft.
Posted on 3/28/15 at 6:25 pm to EA6B
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This is a Mytbusters episode covering explosive decompression of a aircraft.
there is a door in the E&E compartment on the 777 that opens and closes in flight for various reasons, we were ferrying a plane from Europe to the US one day and I decided to go exploring, it's a whole different world down there, I was coming back from the rear of the belly to go back upstairs and the door partially opened, scared the shite out of me didn't get sucked out(in it's fully opened position there's room to jump out,) got a good look at some icebergs
This post was edited on 3/28/15 at 6:37 pm
Posted on 3/28/15 at 6:33 pm to White Roach
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I think I'd pop an emergency exit or open a cabin door. I don't know how simple it would be to do with the pressure differential, but it would have to be easier than putting my fist through the side of a plane.
You would have to be the strongest person in the history of the world to open an emergency door while in flight.
Posted on 3/28/15 at 11:04 pm to lsu480
So, if the pilot decides to lock us out, we're all just hosed? I expected better from the super alphas of the OT.
Posted on 3/28/15 at 11:13 pm to crimsonsaint
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Let's say your plan works and you "grab the stick". What are you gonna do then? Start pushing random buttons?
Better chance of living than some towel head deliberately crashing the plane
Control tower can talk you through it
Posted on 3/28/15 at 11:15 pm to LSU Tiger Jason
There have been air disasters involving the sudden opening of exit doors as well as parts of the fuselage.
Posted on 3/28/15 at 11:36 pm to pensacola
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Suppose that there's an insane pilot who has locked himself in the cockpit and is heading for earth. It's a controlled descent, so you can still walk around. How do you decompress the cabin?
By throwing you out of the aircraft. When this occurs, there is a volume of incompressible material that exits the aircraft. Something must fill this volume. Gases and plasmas are the only states of matter that can expand to fill a void created when a collection of incompressible materials is removed. Since plasmas cannot exist at the temperatures typically found in an aircraft, the only possibility is that a gas must expand to fill the space you used to waste. Boyle's Law states that as a fixed amount of a gas expands, its pressure decreases. As the gases contained in the aircraft expand to fill the void made by your exit, the pressure decreases.
Therefore, throwing you out of the aircraft depressurizes the aircraft.
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