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re: Ok OT engineers lets help this new generation of Engineers out
Posted on 3/27/15 at 8:09 am to KG6
Posted on 3/27/15 at 8:09 am to KG6
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Don't get me wrong, you can eventually own your own major construction company and be a billionaire, but on the whole, most CM grads I know weren't getting offers left and right to do their dream job.
I had multiple competing offers out of school and a year out still have recruiters calling left in right. I only graduated with just over a 3.0.
CM's are cashing in right now during the boom.
The engineers typically beat them in the short to medium term, but CM's have a higher ceiling.
Right now, due to the boom conditions in LA and Texas, CM's are even beating many engineers out the gate.
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Posted on 3/27/15 at 8:10 am to kingbob
I know not one single CM making higher than the richest engineer I know
This post was edited on 3/27/15 at 8:11 am
Posted on 3/27/15 at 8:12 am to tiggerthetooth
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All of what you said is exactly why I am doing engineering. I think Im pretty good to decent in terms of the math/science aspects, but I think I largely will set myself apart with my people skills and my ability to articulate the "complex" information to the "non-technical" folks.
People skills are useful I guess but what will set you apart is when they say "do this with this by this date with this amount of money" and you able to do so. But people skills will help with manage the team if you are project leader.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 8:12 am to FLBooGoTigs1
You kind of sound like the stereotypical engineer. Just so you know.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 8:14 am to jimbeam
What are the engineers you know making right out of school? I know a ChemE and a couple PETE's (they have survived the layoffs thus far) making more than me, but most of the engineers I graduated with seem to be making about the same or less.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 8:15 am to kingbob
None under 50(civils). Some MechEs right under 100. A couple EVEG making mid 70s working for oil majors.
This post was edited on 3/27/15 at 8:16 am
Posted on 3/27/15 at 8:16 am to kingbob
quote:awesome dataset of 1.
I know a ChemE and a couple PETE's (they have survived the layoffs thus far) making more than me, but most of the engineers I graduated with seem to be making about the same or less.
Statistics aren't taught in CM?
Posted on 3/27/15 at 8:16 am to jimbeam
Look at the presidents and owners of the various construction companies around Baton Rouge. Most of them are multi-multi millionaire CM's.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 8:16 am to southernelite
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FLboo isnt an engineer, he's an operator. He sounds jelly cause the engineers work less than he does and make more money.
That's what I got from that.
The other half of that is training by the hourly folks to realize that an engineer is new and to bring him/her along.
And realize that knowledge transfer is critical. Also, that at some point the engineer will know more about the system/process than the hourly employee. Like a Miyagi/Danielsan moment with the chopsticks.
It's a two-way street for operators/engineers to improve upon systems/processes.
This post was edited on 3/27/15 at 8:17 am
Posted on 3/27/15 at 8:17 am to Spirit of Dunson
Those aren't the only ones I know, those are the only ones I know making more than me. Reading comprehension, use it.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 8:18 am to kingbob
Around how much do you make, if you don't mind me asking?
Posted on 3/27/15 at 8:18 am to kingbob
quote:so you are the representative case for all CMs?
ones I know making more than me
your brain, use it.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 8:19 am to OneMoreTime
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This post was edited on 3/27/15 at 11:22 am
Posted on 3/27/15 at 8:19 am to kingbob
I mean. You're correct. But to be fair, thats like saying professional baseball players all make millions, when the majority of minor leaguers scrape by.(I'm not saying that CMs scrape by) Overall, gimme dat engineering salary
This post was edited on 3/27/15 at 8:20 am
Posted on 3/27/15 at 8:19 am to mikelbr
quote:Yep. That's what I love about where I work. The hourly guys go out of their way to help me with anything I need.
The other half of that is training by the hourly folks to realize that an engineer is new and to bring him/her along. And realize that knowledge transfer is critical. Also, that at some point the engineer will know more about the system/process than the hourly employee. Like a Miyagi/Danielsan moment with the chopsticks.
It's a two-way street for operators/engineers to improve upon systems/processes.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 8:21 am to Spirit of Dunson
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so you are the representative case for all CMs?
For the ones in industrial, pretty much. Many of my classmates got much better offers than me, at least the ones who went industrial. The residential guys, not so much, but they get the shaft just like the civils in the engineering world.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 8:21 am to kingbob
quote:so you do recognize that there are variations within a field.
but they get the shaft just like the civils in the engineering world.
I mean let's compare industrial CMs to just petroleum and chemical engineers if we are cherry picking data.
ETA: I am just busting your balls. I don't really have a dog in this fight. Congrats on the good job!
This post was edited on 3/27/15 at 8:23 am
Posted on 3/27/15 at 8:25 am to Spirit of Dunson
pretty much, I'm just f*&king with ya'll too. I'm actually a full time alligator hunter, baw
This post was edited on 3/27/15 at 8:27 am
Posted on 3/27/15 at 8:26 am to OneMoreTime
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Yep. That's what I love about where I work. The hourly guys go out of their way to help me with anything I need.
Word. It does have to start with the engineer being humble and not a pompous prick. All ears for few months before trying to change the world.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 8:26 am to kingbob
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Look at the presidents and owners of the various construction companies around Baton Rouge
Look at the presidents and CEO's of oilfield companies. A lot of them have engineering degrees. Saying CM's make more on the top end because they own their own businesses or manage business at high level doesn't make them special. Engineers do the same thing every day.
Not a shot at CM's but I doubt there's that many 5 years in making the same as an engineer in the oilfield or a plant (if they are worth anything and work hard). The same management positions that pull in money for CM's are available for engineers. I'd bet civil engineers could probably step into a lot of CM management roles as well.
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