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re: Kris Bryant Board: Boras still stumping for things that won't happen...
Posted on 3/27/15 at 8:27 am to The Sad Banana
Posted on 3/27/15 at 8:27 am to The Sad Banana
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What surprised me was Timmy K being so, so, so wrong in saying the Cubs needed Kris Bryant on Opening Day. That really blew me away...I always thought Tim K. was a bright guy.
Buster picked up his slack pretty well at the end saying 'it's a no brainer' to start bryant in the minors.
Maybe it's my disdain for schilling showing through but his aww c'mon attitude when pressing just rubs me the wrong way. Yea he's a voice for the players and all he does is offer color commentary so it's not like he needs anyone to like him (which is probably a good thing for him), but no answer was going to satisfy him, despite best logic for health of the club going forward. It was to be expected, i guess i'm just tired of the cubs having to defend against making the smartest move available to them, especially to knuckle draggers like curt schilling.
This post was edited on 3/27/15 at 8:30 am
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Posted on 3/27/15 at 8:49 am to piggidyphish
This too shall pass. After KB is brought up, this will no longer be a story and we'll all be focused on KB mashing baseballs.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 8:52 am to MasterBetty
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This too shall pass. After KB is brought up, this will no longer be a story
it will be a story all year if Cubs are battling for a wild card slot and struggled the first two weeks without Bryant.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 9:07 am to Toula
Toula, you're a smart dude. I'm really surprised you are taking this stance.
Let us not forget that Kris Bryant will not be the only prospect facing the service clock situation this Opening Day.
Let us not forget that Kris Bryant will not be the only prospect facing the service clock situation this Opening Day.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 9:12 am to Toula
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it will be a story all year if Cubs are battling for a wild card slot and struggled the first two weeks without Bryant.
Shouldn't the story then be, why isn't russell up by now? Or why the hell are we giving bryant a day off?
Posted on 3/27/15 at 9:15 am to piggidyphish
We're just giving 12 days off. Who doesn't want a two week vacation before they start a new job in the freezing cold weather?
This post was edited on 3/27/15 at 9:16 am
Posted on 3/27/15 at 9:16 am to The Sad Banana
Don't think he's taking a stance... it's just reality. If the Cubs miss the playoffs by a few games in the standings, the media will bring this up. Why wouldn't they drum up controversy? It's what they do.
This post was edited on 3/27/15 at 9:18 am
Posted on 3/27/15 at 9:18 am to The Sad Banana
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We're just giving 12 days off. Who doesn't want a two week vacation before they start a new job in the freezing cold weather?
Cubs are such a generous club. Always thinking about the players.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 9:19 am to The Sad Banana
It's sad that Dan Patrick has to kiss his arse and make his interviews happen because he doesn't want Boras to shut down access to his clients.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 9:37 am to lsutigers1992
I thought Dan did a pretty good job...but you're right, he still could've pushed a lot harder.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 9:43 am to piggidyphish
Remember when we talked about Mike Olt's defense yesterday?
Keith Law ranks him as a 70-80 defensive 3B, which is to say he's pretty much got an elite glove. It has long been my wet dream for Olt to hit at least enough to make the Cubs keep him at third (let's say .240 with a good walk rate and lots of power) and force Kris Bryant to LF (even though I know his value is higher at 3B, it might be better for the Cubs to have Olt and Bryant in the lineup at the same time as opposed to Bryant and La Stella/Alcantara).
Keith Law ranks him as a 70-80 defensive 3B, which is to say he's pretty much got an elite glove. It has long been my wet dream for Olt to hit at least enough to make the Cubs keep him at third (let's say .240 with a good walk rate and lots of power) and force Kris Bryant to LF (even though I know his value is higher at 3B, it might be better for the Cubs to have Olt and Bryant in the lineup at the same time as opposed to Bryant and La Stella/Alcantara).
Posted on 3/27/15 at 10:41 am to The Sad Banana
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Toula, you're a smart dude. I'm really surprised you are taking this stance.
I'm really on the fence with this. Playing devil's advocate for the most part to argue the other side.
Part of me sides with player and the short-term gains. That side is also not caring about year 2020 and beyond. Whether it's year 5 or 6, we are either going to pay him handsomely or trade for a king's ransom. Our window is strongest the next 4 or 5 years. That short-sighted thinking makes me not care as much about the extra year of control. My major assumption is the end result of Kris Bryant's career with the Cubs will be the same, we are just debating if that happens a year earlier or not.
I also can't get the J-Hey situation out of my head. Braves make the wildcard by 1 game his rookie year. Heyward hit like .400 to start the year and there's no doubt in my mind was worth that 1 win.
It'd be a travesty for Cubs fans if we miss the Wild Card by 1 game without knowing what Kris Bryant could have done to start the year.
Now the other side says I'd love to give Baez that 9 games to figure out if he can stick at 2B. If he continues to struggle, then he goes down to Iowa and those ABs come available to Bryant.
Is a Baez experiment + a year of control = momentum of a hot start + a legit wild card show?
I flip flop on this daily
Posted on 3/27/15 at 10:51 am to Toula
Baez will not figure anything out in 9 games.
If Kris Bryant comes up on April 17 and he hits .200 until the All Star Break, it's a non issue. If he come sup and hits .300 but doesn't put runs on the board, it's a non issue.
He basically has to come up and scorch pitching in his first month or so after April 17th AND the Cubs have to miss the playoffs by a game for all this perfect storm crap to happen. Can it? Sure. Even if it did, I would not blame the delayed debut of Kris Bryant on the Cubs missing the playoffs by a single game.
If Kris Bryant comes up on April 17 and he hits .200 until the All Star Break, it's a non issue. If he come sup and hits .300 but doesn't put runs on the board, it's a non issue.
He basically has to come up and scorch pitching in his first month or so after April 17th AND the Cubs have to miss the playoffs by a game for all this perfect storm crap to happen. Can it? Sure. Even if it did, I would not blame the delayed debut of Kris Bryant on the Cubs missing the playoffs by a single game.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 11:42 am to Toula
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Whether it's year 5 or 6, we are either going to pay him handsomely or trade for a king's ransom.
Eh i don't see those as the only possibilities. By all rights the cubs should be really good in this time frame you're talking about. So presumably playoff contenders trading their best asset, that seems doubtful to me. As for paying him a kings randsom, we very well might, but if robinson cano has taught me anything about boras star players its that they get paid...and the home town team doesn't always win out (also consider you're talking about a south west/california boy who may want to go back, kind of like how i'm really hoping zimmerman tells the nats to kick rocks and comes back to the midwest...specifically the cubs).
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I also can't get the J-Hey situation out of my head. Braves make the wildcard by 1 game his rookie year. Heyward hit like .400 to start the year and there's no doubt in my mind was worth that 1 win.
It'd be a travesty for Cubs fans if we miss the Wild Card by 1 game without knowing what Kris Bryant could have done to start the year.
I counter with the evan longoria situation.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 11:44 am to The Sad Banana
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Sure. Even if it did, I would not blame the delayed debut of Kris Bryant on the Cubs missing the playoffs by a single game.
you can bet your arse i'll be here screaming it was because we didn't bring russel up soon enough. Just because i'd be way too stuborn to even concede that bryant's service time had anything to do with it...hopefully I can blame barney somehow.
This post was edited on 3/27/15 at 11:47 am
Posted on 3/27/15 at 12:36 pm to The Sad Banana
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Toula, you're a smart dude. I'm really surprised you are taking this stance.
So that makes him dumb because he doesn't have the same mind set as you do? There are two sides to this and it is pretty easy to see both sides of the coin. I would tend to think that anyone saying they want Bryant on the Opening Day roster believes two things:
1. The Cubs will contend for a playoff spot right now in 2015.
2. Bryant will be a very good player and the Cubs will extend him way before he becomes a FA, thus making the whole service time thing irrelevant.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 12:39 pm to Toula
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Now the other side says I'd love to give Baez that 9 games to figure out if he can stick at 2B. If he continues to struggle, then he goes down to Iowa and those ABs come available to Bryant.
Giving Baez at bats doesn't have much (if any) impact on Bryant getting at bats. The player that we should be talking about getting 9 games to show what he can do is Mike Olt. He is having a very impressive spring and will start the season at 3B more than likely. Hopefully he will play well and Bryant will be starting in LF when he is on the big league roster.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 12:39 pm to HoustonTiger2008
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So that makes him dumb because he doesn't have the same mind set as you do?
Of course not. But it's the smart thing to do, so he figured a smart person would be on the side for doing the smart thing. it's not just smart and dumb, there's average, idiot savant, doesn't apply himself...and many others.
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There are two sides to this and it is pretty easy to see both sides of the coin.
I'm just glad Buster Onley is in my camp and you guys are stuck with Curt Schilling.
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Cubs will extend him way before he becomes a FA
Everyone keeps saying this...do you just not believe us about Boras, or will this time assuredly be different?
Posted on 3/27/15 at 12:44 pm to piggidyphish
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But it's the smart thing to do, so he figured a smart person would be on the side for doing the smart thing.
Smart doesn't equate to long term. It means that you value the long term more than you do the short term.
I've thought you guys were pretty cool, but now we're resorting to calling people dumb when they don't see the exact same way you do.
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I'm just glad Buster Onley is in my camp and you guys are stuck with Curt Schilling.
There are more people than just Curt Schilling that think Kris Bryant should be on the Opening Day roster.
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do you just not believe us about Boras
I don't need to "believe" you. You most assuredly cannot predict what will happen before the year 2021 arrives with a team and a player in negotiating a contract.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 12:45 pm to piggidyphish
I realized I spelled Curt's name with a K earlier and for that I offer no apologies.
And of course I don't think Toula is dumb because we don't have the same opinion. I'm not that kind of message board geek. From talking with him in the past about sports, I kind of figured him to be on the side of the Cubs here.
And of course I don't think Toula is dumb because we don't have the same opinion. I'm not that kind of message board geek. From talking with him in the past about sports, I kind of figured him to be on the side of the Cubs here.
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