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re: Who should be charged with the strike out?

Posted on 3/25/15 at 9:04 am to
Posted by Choupique19
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Posted on 3/25/15 at 9:04 am to
Scenario 2:

Pitcher A has a 2-1 lead, a runner on first base, 2 outs late in the game, and a 1-1 count on the batter. The coach makes a pitching change in the middle of the at bat. Pitcher B proceeds to walk the batter, and then gives up a 2 out, 2 RBI double. What is the end stat line for Pitcher A?
Posted by nicholastiger
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Posted on 3/25/15 at 9:07 am to
The ump that ball was a foot off the plate
Posted by ell_13
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Posted on 3/25/15 at 9:08 am to
Did he start the game? or was he in relief to close?
Posted by Choupique19
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Posted on 3/25/15 at 9:08 am to
Pitcher A was the starter.
Posted by TigerCub
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Posted on 3/25/15 at 9:11 am to
The walk should be charged to Pitcher B I believe and thus he would get the loss
This post was edited on 3/25/15 at 9:12 am
Posted by ell_13
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Posted on 3/25/15 at 9:12 am to
Pitcher A has 2 ER, assuming the first was earned.
Posted by Choupique19
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Posted on 3/25/15 at 9:14 am to
quote:

The walk should be charged to Pitcher B I believe and thus he would get the loss.


True and true. Pitcher A gets credited with the walk since he started the batter. Since that batter was credited to Pitcher A, when he scored the go ahead run on a double that run got charged to Pitcher A. Pitcher A is now officially done for the day with his team losing 3-2. Pitcher A got the "Loss".

Pitcher A was snakebit that season, received many losses with an era around 2.50.
This post was edited on 3/25/15 at 9:16 am
Posted by OneMoreTime
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Posted on 3/25/15 at 9:15 am to
I'm not talking about an AB. Is he still considered a pinch hitter? He had no official plate appearance and was immediately subbed out without playing in the field. It's an odd set of circumstances.
Posted by TigerCub
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Posted on 3/25/15 at 9:15 am to
Interesting so it has nothing to do with the count on the batter. Does the same apply for a strikeout or is it the pitcher that completes the K?
Posted by ell_13
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Posted on 3/25/15 at 9:16 am to
quote:

The walk should be charged to Pitcher B
quote:

true. Pitcher A gets credited with the walk
WHICH IS IT?!?!?!!??
Posted by AstroTiger
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Posted on 3/25/15 at 9:17 am to
am I missing rules trivia???!?!?!
Posted by TigerCub
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Posted on 3/25/15 at 9:17 am to
quote:

I'm not talking about an AB. Is he still considered a pinch hitter? He had no official plate appearance and was immediately subbed out without playing in the field. It's an odd set of circumstances.


He's definitely still considered a pinch hitter.
Posted by ell_13
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Posted on 3/25/15 at 9:17 am to
quote:

I'm not talking about an AB. Is he still considered a pinch hitter? He had no official plate appearance and was immediately subbed out without playing in the field. It's an odd set of circumstances.
In other words... could he be used to sub again?


Posted by Choupique19
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Posted on 3/25/15 at 9:17 am to
quote:

WHICH IS IT?!?!?!!??


The original post by Cub was edited while I was responding.

Pitcher A gets credited with the walk.


Pitcher B, in that instance, would have been give credited with any out that he recorded in that at bat, but if the batter reached base it would go to Pitcher A.
Posted by OneMoreTime
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Posted on 3/25/15 at 9:18 am to
That's where I was going with this.

Eta: I'm sure the answer is no, but this is a situation I've never seen before, and it's fairly interesting.
This post was edited on 3/25/15 at 9:21 am
Posted by ell_13
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Posted on 3/25/15 at 9:19 am to
Gotcha. So the pitcher that starts the AB gets credited with the walk... Is that for every result? Or is a K different and follows the same rules as hitting?
Posted by TigerCub
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Posted on 3/25/15 at 9:20 am to
I'm pretty sure he's burned at that point but I'm not 100% on that. Once the ump enters him on his lineup card, he's in the game.
Posted by Choupique19
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Posted on 3/25/15 at 9:20 am to
quote:

Is that for every result? Or is a K different and follows the same rules as hitting?


Already stated.

quote:

Pitcher B, in that instance, would have been credited with any out that he recorded in that at bat, but if the batter reached base it would go to Pitcher A.

Posted by ell_13
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Posted on 3/25/15 at 9:20 am to
He officially entered the game, so I think he's done... but you are right that he doesn't get an official AB.

But what about a plate appearance? My guess is he wouldn't get one of those either.
Posted by TigerCub
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Posted on 3/25/15 at 9:21 am to
So if pitcher B gave up a long ball to that batter it would go back to Pitcher A? That sucks for him
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