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CNBC: For millions of Americans, the 401k is a failure
Posted on 3/23/15 at 8:21 am
Posted on 3/23/15 at 8:21 am
What a crock of shite
In summary, individuals do not save money on their own, so instead of blaming the individual, they blame the vehicles available to those individuals.
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It's time to call this one. For millions of Americans, the Great American 401(k) Experiment is a failure.
"In America, when we had disability and defined benefit plans, you actually had an equality of retirement period. Now the rich can retire and workers have to work until they die," said Teresa Ghilarducci, a labor economist at the New School for Social Research who has proposed eliminating the tax breaks for 401(k)s and using the money saved to create government-run retirement plans.
In summary, individuals do not save money on their own, so instead of blaming the individual, they blame the vehicles available to those individuals.
Posted on 3/23/15 at 8:28 am to slackster
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Now the rich can retire and workers have to work until they die
So, now we're defining "rich" as "smart enough to save for retirement" and "workers" as "too dumb to save for retirement".
If the "workers" would quit smoking, getting tattoos, buying $600 phones every 18 months, driving cars that equal or exceed their annual incomes and saved 10% of their income, they would all retire comfortably. Not "buy an island and a G6 rich" but comfortable.
So, now the SJWs want to take away the money from the industrious ants to feed the lazy, spendthrift grasshoppers in retirement...again...after having done that for their entire lives.
This post was edited on 3/23/15 at 8:29 am
Posted on 3/23/15 at 8:50 am to slackster
My 401K hasn't failed at all.
Posted on 3/23/15 at 8:51 am to Ace Midnight
yes, blame the system...
Take two employees in adjacent cubicles. Both make the same salary. Employee A puts 4% in, employee B puts 10% in.
Employee A get a boat, $35k truck, all the latest technology gagets, but is "poor"
Employee B spends within his means, Only eats out for special occasions, and drives an average vehicle. Yet he is considered Richer" of the two because he has more at retirement.
This goes back to the post a few days back about people not contributing into 401k. Even the example of the employer giving everyone a 6% rasie and challenging them to put that 5% into their 401k that he will then match 100% up to that 6%.... and still few participating...
You can lead a horse to water, but you cant make him drink....
Take two employees in adjacent cubicles. Both make the same salary. Employee A puts 4% in, employee B puts 10% in.
Employee A get a boat, $35k truck, all the latest technology gagets, but is "poor"
Employee B spends within his means, Only eats out for special occasions, and drives an average vehicle. Yet he is considered Richer" of the two because he has more at retirement.
This goes back to the post a few days back about people not contributing into 401k. Even the example of the employer giving everyone a 6% rasie and challenging them to put that 5% into their 401k that he will then match 100% up to that 6%.... and still few participating...
You can lead a horse to water, but you cant make him drink....
Posted on 3/23/15 at 8:52 am to Ace Midnight
Because a certain percentage have time to post on web-sites while they're supposed to be working, but apparently do not have time to log on to their 401K and do simple things like rebalance. Good for them. I'll end up paying for their irresponsibility anyway, why does it matter?
Posted on 3/23/15 at 8:55 am to slackster
quote:This woman is extremely dangerous and the plan she is advocating should scare the shite out of anyone with any kind of private savings.
Teresa Ghilarducci
Posted on 3/23/15 at 9:00 am to slackster
There are two main problems IMO. The first is a lack of financial education. I'm a financial advisor and 90% of my clients walk in the door with no clue how their 401k and other retirement vehicles work.
The second problem is how we define our wants and our needs. Far too often, wants are misidentified as needs, and savings of any type are the first to get sacrificed.
Quite frankly, I believe if we take care of #1, most of the problems will fall in line. On a personal level, I'd be ecstatic to deal with clients who are more educated when they walk in the door.
The second problem is how we define our wants and our needs. Far too often, wants are misidentified as needs, and savings of any type are the first to get sacrificed.
Quite frankly, I believe if we take care of #1, most of the problems will fall in line. On a personal level, I'd be ecstatic to deal with clients who are more educated when they walk in the door.
Posted on 3/23/15 at 9:03 am to slackster
I think this infuriates 100% of the people that post on this board, but I imagine this trend will continue for a long time. The problem is people generally don't realize how badly they've screwed up until they're 65 and unable to do anything about it. We are hoping this knowledge and foresight trickle down through the culture, but the fact remains this won't happen in our lifetime. Can we afford to let it continue as is? What will our country look like in a few decades when SS is gone and millions left without anything in its place? I can guess at the answer and it isn't pretty, especially as healthcare costs keep rising.
Posted on 3/23/15 at 9:04 am to slackster
Government decides to offer a free tool set to every american household.
25% do not request the tool set
45% request the tool set but do not learn to use the tools correctly
30% use the tools correctly and are very pleased
Government & CNBC analysis- Tools are a failure, we need to give every household a handyman.....
25% do not request the tool set
45% request the tool set but do not learn to use the tools correctly
30% use the tools correctly and are very pleased
Government & CNBC analysis- Tools are a failure, we need to give every household a handyman.....
Posted on 3/23/15 at 9:07 am to slackster
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I'm a financial advisor and 90% of my clients walk in the door with no clue how their 401k and other retirement vehicles work.
This is so true. I really didn't know how it worked either but knew I had to start mine once I got my first "real" job after school. Personal Finance should be a mandatory class in middle school, high school and should be a mandatory elective to graduate from college.
Posted on 3/23/15 at 9:09 am to Oenophile Brah
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Government & CNBC analysis- Tools are a failure, we need to give every household a handyman.....
You know. It is sad and TRUE at the same time. Majority of American's like this "idea" of freedom, but they cannot handle it.
In many cases, people actually need the government, which is sad.
Posted on 3/23/15 at 9:15 am to slackster
Critics of Ms. Ghilarducci are missing a key point. She is as much as admitting that Social Security is a failed policy. If private retirement savings is insufficient to supplement Social Security for workers, then by definition Social Security is insufficient. Rather than tinker with the voluntary aspects of retirement savings, doesn't it make sense to address the insufficiencies of the mandatory part, Social Security, first?
And speaking of mandates, Chief Justice Roberts has ruled government mandated spending is a form of taxation. Thus, what Ms. Ghilarducci is proposing would be a tax on workers earnings. Good luck selling the idea of higher taxes reducing current cash flow for potentially increased retirement income to the American workers who have become accustomed to a certain standard of living based on their current cash flows.
Who will make the investment decisions for these government-run retirement plans? You can't allow them to be self-directed, or you will have people who blow their entire accounts with poor decisions. So some government employees will have to be put in charge, but those employees will have no fiduciary duty to the individual account owners. Won't there be problems in the markets if those directing the investments of hundreds of millions of individual accounts act in concert to changes in economic conditions? The volume of buying and selling would lead to huge swings in prices as changes in demand would be severe while the supply remained relatively constant.
And speaking of mandates, Chief Justice Roberts has ruled government mandated spending is a form of taxation. Thus, what Ms. Ghilarducci is proposing would be a tax on workers earnings. Good luck selling the idea of higher taxes reducing current cash flow for potentially increased retirement income to the American workers who have become accustomed to a certain standard of living based on their current cash flows.
Who will make the investment decisions for these government-run retirement plans? You can't allow them to be self-directed, or you will have people who blow their entire accounts with poor decisions. So some government employees will have to be put in charge, but those employees will have no fiduciary duty to the individual account owners. Won't there be problems in the markets if those directing the investments of hundreds of millions of individual accounts act in concert to changes in economic conditions? The volume of buying and selling would lead to huge swings in prices as changes in demand would be severe while the supply remained relatively constant.
Posted on 3/23/15 at 9:21 am to Poodlebrain
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She is as much as admitting that Social Security is a failed policy.
But isn't she suggesting "doubling down" on SS, in effect?
Posted on 3/23/15 at 9:23 am to Poodlebrain
They want the 24 Trillion in retirement savings plans.
Posted on 3/23/15 at 9:25 am to Ace Midnight
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But isn't she suggesting "doubling down" on SS, in effect?
Thats how it seems to me. basically, most Americans are too financially stupid so we "the government" must help them.
Posted on 3/23/15 at 9:29 am to dr smartass phd
My company auto enrolls everyone in their 401k for the minimum to get company match (6%). They tell you during orientation and send a post card. You have to logon to your 401k to change the distribution and go through some hurdles to change it. 99% of people forget about it since it never is in their paycheck and the 1% are the ones likely to inrease their 401k
I imagine that the 401k contribution amounts for my company are considerably higher than others because the company banks on the spenders being too lazy to change it
I imagine that the 401k contribution amounts for my company are considerably higher than others because the company banks on the spenders being too lazy to change it
Posted on 3/23/15 at 9:48 am to GenesChin
Ditto for my company. 6% auto from day 1.
Posted on 3/23/15 at 9:59 am to abitabrewed4LSU
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Personal Finance should be a mandatory class in middle school, high school and should be a mandatory elective to graduate from college.
Gosh, do I agree with this one. I know grown professionals who don't understand simple vs compound interest and who place their faith in a financial guru who preaches the almighty envelope as a budget tool. If we as a society had educated people along the way in money management and financial concepts, things might function a bit better.
Investment clubs for kids, Junior Achievement or similar programs, requiring kids to work in some school sponsored activity in order to help fund activities (ie, run/manage the concession stand/popcorn at recess or school events)...once upon a time, middle class kids had part time jobs. Today, they're too busy being driven from one activity to another....make those kids work, make them bank a paycheck, and teach them budgeting skills. Show them how your household finances work.
Posted on 3/23/15 at 10:03 am to tigeraddict
quote:
yes, blame the system...
Take two employees in adjacent cubicles. Both make the same salary. Employee A puts 4% in, employee B puts 10% in.
Employee A get a boat, $35k truck, all the latest technology gagets, but is "poor"
Employee B spends within his means, Only eats out for special occasions, and drives an average vehicle. Yet he is considered Richer" of the two because he has more at retirement.
This goes back to the post a few days back about people not contributing into 401k. Even the example of the employer giving everyone a 6% rasie and challenging them to put that 5% into their 401k that he will then match 100% up to that 6%.... and still few participating...
You can lead a horse to water, but you cant make him drink....
Yep. See this All. The. Time. Poors will always be poor because they make poor decisions.
Posted on 3/23/15 at 10:54 am to TigerDeBaiter
The day 401ks and IRAs are government-raided will surely be a day of uprising.
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