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Claims of a greedy Drew Brees come from the ungrateful lacking perspective
Posted on 3/18/15 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 3/18/15 at 12:27 pm
Ed Daniels' viewpoint on the matter
And then, he asks a good question:
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This spring, the salary cap starved New Orleans Saints are topic number one. Drew Brees, the quarterback who saved a franchise and made others around him (including his owner, head coach, and general manager) wealthy, is suddenly perceived as greedy
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Saints season tickets sold hovered around 40,000. There was little or no excitement around Saints football.
And then, he asks a good question:
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One question that hasn’t been answered yet. Have the Saints offered Brees an extension? Such a deal is common in the NFL. It allows teams to lower their salary cap number.
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If the Saints want to lower Brees cap number, and he agrees, great. But Brees should not take a dime less. He, not Sean Payton, is most responsible for a once unthinkable nine-year run of success.
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Posted on 3/18/15 at 12:33 pm to jptiger2009
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He, not Sean Payton, is most responsible for a once unthinkable nine-year run of success.
I don't know about that. I honestly think they're both key contributors. For example in 2012, Payton was gone and we went 7-9. I think with him we probably go about 11-5 or 12-4. Without Brees and Payton that year, we probably reach 2011 Colts level bad.
So I think we could be middle of the pack, say 8-8 without either one of them, but both gone would be devastating.
Posted on 3/18/15 at 12:37 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
Just shows you how many bandwagon fans we have in the city. Happens with the Pelicans too. Just how the city is.
Posted on 3/18/15 at 12:38 pm to jptiger2009
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He, not Sean Payton, is most responsible for a once unthinkable nine-year run of success.
I think their relationship is as symbiotic as it gets in sports. They both make each other better than if they were with another QB/HC.
Posted on 3/18/15 at 12:39 pm to jptiger2009
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He, not Sean Payton, is most responsible for a once unthinkable nine-year run of success.
Posted on 3/18/15 at 12:40 pm to BayouBengal0505
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Just how sports fans are
Fixed.
Posted on 3/18/15 at 12:40 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
8-8 with no Drew?...Luke Mccown, Mark Brunell, nor Chase Daniel led Saint teams will win you 8 games.
We have never invested in a quality backup and none of our backups are capable of leading us to even mediocrity if Drew were to be out for a prolonged period of time...much less a full season.
I agree Drew is not the be all, end all...but we are nowhere near .500 without him.
We have never invested in a quality backup and none of our backups are capable of leading us to even mediocrity if Drew were to be out for a prolonged period of time...much less a full season.
I agree Drew is not the be all, end all...but we are nowhere near .500 without him.
Posted on 3/18/15 at 12:46 pm to jptiger2009
Jordan is a billionaire. He took less to keep Pippen around.
Damnit Drew. Take less & sign your Pippen. Have your stuff together. Win another super bowl, & ride that fame to $$$$ after retirement.
Signed most Saints fans.
Damnit Drew. Take less & sign your Pippen. Have your stuff together. Win another super bowl, & ride that fame to $$$$ after retirement.
Signed most Saints fans.
Posted on 3/18/15 at 12:54 pm to jptiger2009
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He, not Sean Payton, is most responsible for a once unthinkable nine-year run of success.
Agree with everything but this.
Sean Payton and Drew Brees are a combination HC/QB that will go down in history as one of the greatest of all time. I don't think Drew would disagree that his coach has been a HUGE part of that success. I also don't think Montana or Brady would claim sole responsibility for success without including Walsh or Belichick.
Article is WAY off with the worship of Drew as the sole reason for success, but on-point when it comes to deserving every penny of his contract as being an irreplaceable component and a GREAT representative of NOLA and the Saints organization.
Extension sounds like the best option as stated.
Posted on 3/18/15 at 1:20 pm to jptiger2009
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is suddenly perceived as greedy
My thoughts arent limited to Drew Brees.
Any person who has more money than anyone could possibly need for multiple generations, and refuses to give some of that money back to the company he works for, which made him rich and successful in the first place, in order to reinvest it and grow the company is a greedy mother fricker. Whether its an athlete or a fortune 500 CEO.
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Saints season tickets sold hovered around 40,000. There was little or no excitement around Saints football.
I've been a fan my whole life. As has my dad. As far as I'm concerned, there has always been excitement around Saints Football.
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He, not Sean Payton, is most responsible for a once unthinkable nine-year run of success.
ORLY. How was that season without Payton? Or the part of the season when he wasn't on the sidelines?
Brees as a charger:
[2001] 5-11, no playoffs
[2002] 8-8, no playoffs
[2003] 4-12, no playoffs
[2004] 12-4, lose wildcard round
[2005] 9-7, no playoffs
Yeah Payton has nothing to do with our success here. It's all Brees. We dont even need coaches.
This post was edited on 3/18/15 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 3/18/15 at 1:43 pm to Breesus
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[2001] 5-11, no playoffs
Didn't start one game in 2001.
Still had a winning record as a charger at 30-28 with 80 touchdowns to 53 interceptions. Nothing earth shattering, but he wasn't bad. He actually had 2 great seasons there before coming to New Orleans.
But I believe Brees and Payton bring the best out of each other, and that's pretty damn obvious. It was the perfect match of player and coach.
Posted on 3/18/15 at 1:43 pm to jptiger2009
The same people crying about him being greedy didn't whine about how underpaid he was for 6 years. Strangled enough I don't remember Drew ever complaining either
Posted on 3/18/15 at 1:52 pm to CocoLoco
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Still had a winning record as a charger at 30-28 with 80 touchdowns to 53 interceptions. Nothing earth shattering, but he wasn't bad. He actually had 2 great seasons there before coming to New Orleans.
I didnt say he wasnt a good QB. I remember him with the chargers, and i was excited when we signed him.
The debate is not about his talent level, it is about whether or not Payton played any role in our success.
Without a solid coach, you don't get very far. The statement "Brees, not Payton, is the reason for our success" is purely asinine. And it shows how stupid the man who wrote the article is.
Jeff Duncan Mock Draft level stupid.
Posted on 3/18/15 at 1:52 pm to Breesus
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refuses to give some of that money back to the company he works for, which made him rich and successful in the first place, in order to reinvest it and grow the company is a greedy mother fricker. Whether its an athlete or a fortune 500 CEO.
So, you'd take a pay cut at your current job to bring in talented people around you to strengthen your company overall?
Posted on 3/18/15 at 1:57 pm to SaintLSUnAtl
Greed is only defined by he who have not. Are you greedy because you have more than those in Uganda. Are the WR's greedy because without Drew and Sean's offense they probably wouldn't have made a dime in the NFL. Is Graham greedy because he probably wouldn't have half the contract that he has if it weren't for Drew. You see Drew has given back.
Posted on 3/18/15 at 1:59 pm to tigerfan5803
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So, you'd take a pay cut at your current job to bring in talented people around you to strengthen your company overall?
Right now? No. If i had enough money to easily cover the rest of my lifetime into retirement, and take care of my kids until around their 30s in the event of my death, yes. I would.
Brees has an estimated net worth of $55 million. If he keeps 20 million. He and his wife can live like they make 100,000 grand a year each after taxes for 100 years. He can leave 15 million on trust to his children, and still have 25 million in just his latest contract to give back to the Saints. He also owns a few franchises, has plenty of endorsements, and investments. There's no reason he couldnt give some money back to the Saints to help out the organization.
Don't get me wrong, he has every right to try and get as much money as possible and keep it all for himself, I'm a firm believer in laissez faire capitalism. But it a greedy thing to do and i don't respect him.
This post was edited on 3/18/15 at 2:02 pm
Posted on 3/18/15 at 2:02 pm to Breesus
Oh, so the amount of money you make defines whether or not you're greedy?
Hypocrisy, thy name is you
Hypocrisy, thy name is you
Posted on 3/18/15 at 2:03 pm to tigerfan5803
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refuses to give some of that money back to the company he works for, which made him rich and successful in the first place, in order to reinvest it and grow the company is a greedy mother fricker. Whether its an athlete or a fortune 500 CEO.
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So, you'd take a pay cut at your current job to bring in talented people around you to strengthen your company overall?
Y'all are getting into a haves and have nots conversation. No matter what either of you think (and, both are valid points), the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.
that said, Drew is a smart businessman. and, the business-minded capitalist in me says that drew doesn't have to give anything back that he's earned. He's earned every penny. Then, the new orleanian socialist in me says that he should take a loss for the team.
to me, the main difference for drew is that he is a righteous man. he does things with the right mind, and I believe that he puts others' wants infront of his.
This post was edited on 3/18/15 at 2:06 pm
Posted on 3/18/15 at 2:04 pm to SaintLSUnAtl
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Oh, so the amount of money you make defines whether or not you're greedy?
Of course it does.
A homeless person with nothing who hasnt eaten in a week and reaches for a loaf of bread is not greedy.
And obese gluton who has already eaten 3 pizzas, a loaf of bread, and a steak who then reaches for another loaf of bread is greedy.
Greed is relative.
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Hypocrisy, thy name is you
Your ignorance is showing.
This post was edited on 3/18/15 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 3/18/15 at 2:05 pm to jptiger2009
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the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.
Agreed.
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the business-minded capitalist in me says that drew doesn't have to give anything back that he's earned. He's earned every penny. Then, the new orleanian socialist in me says that he should take a loss for the team.
This is exactly what i said
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