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Jrue Holiday Update
Posted on 3/17/15 at 8:12 am
Posted on 3/17/15 at 8:12 am
On the BSS podcast this morning MM passed off part his opinion and part what he said was inside info on Jrue Holiday. By the end of March we'll either see Holiday playing again or they'll conclude that what they've been doing is not working and are back to square 1 at trying to figure out how to get him right. Hopefully they get to the right specialists and figure this out, because "we don't know how to fix him" is worse than "Jrue Holiday had successful surgery today". I think the end or March was the opinion portion.
This post was edited on 3/17/15 at 8:13 am
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Posted on 3/17/15 at 8:16 am to TigerinATL
I'm sure he has access to all of the best doctors in the world. None of them can figure this out? They are wasting months of recovery time.
Posted on 3/17/15 at 8:40 am to TigerinATL
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On the BSS podcast this morning MM passed off part his opinion and part what he said was inside info on Jrue Holiday. By the end of March we'll either see Holiday playing again or they'll conclude that what they've been doing is not working and are back to square 1 at trying to figure out how to get him right.
I appreciate you sharing this, ATL, but he isn't really going out on a limb here. McNamara was the same one the said a day before the Salmons/Cole trade that we would not trade Salmons for reasons off the court (Tweet has since been deleted). The guy doesn't have the best track record with "inside info."
Posted on 3/17/15 at 8:59 am to TigerinATL
Not a Holiday response, but it's on Davis's future so I figure starting a thread about it would be disastrous.
David Aldridge's weekly column has a few potentially interesting tidbits on the implications of smoothing for players and owners and some teams/players to keep an eye on.
First on a second jump in the cap for 17/18
He then discusses Davis and Lillard likely getting the Rose Rule max and ends it with this
Does't necessarily mean anything at all. I'll still be shocked if he doesn't sign the 5 year max offer he receives at 12:01AM on July 1.
David Aldridge's weekly column has a few potentially interesting tidbits on the implications of smoothing for players and owners and some teams/players to keep an eye on.
First on a second jump in the cap for 17/18
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This second expected huge spike in the cap in 2017 has not been reported or discussed much. But both the NBPA and the league anticipate it happening -- which would likely drive the cap past the $100 million mark that summer.
He then discusses Davis and Lillard likely getting the Rose Rule max and ends it with this
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Davis' representatives have not yet decided how to proceed with the Pelicans, two sources said over the weekend.
Does't necessarily mean anything at all. I'll still be shocked if he doesn't sign the 5 year max offer he receives at 12:01AM on July 1.
Posted on 3/17/15 at 9:05 am to mm2316
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The guy doesn't have the best track record with "inside info."
They clearly have some level of inside access, they got the Repriesh info, they just misinterpreted it. The Salmons not being traded was another misinterpretation. Remember when Salmons took a few personal days? I don't know what the situation was but MM seemed to be implying it was bad enough that the team wouldn't trade him out of pity. So what's the bad info there that Salmons had some personal tragedy to deal with, or that the team wouldn't trade based on that bad stuff? Usually when you take a few games off there's a reason given, death in the family, birth of a baby, etc. That Salmons had a personal tragedy this year doesn't seem unreasonable given the facts we have. The not trading said player out of pity seems like the unreasonable part.
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he isn't really going out on a limb here.
I don't think he's as calculated as a lot of people here think. He's certainly no Fletcher, and he doesn't claim inside info that often. If we don't see Holiday playing or having surgery in the next month, I think it may be getting close to the time for concern to give way to worry.
Posted on 3/17/15 at 9:08 am to corndeaux
the two looming cap spikes are uncharted territory and Davis is sitting on the mother of all winning lottery tickets. It is not surprising nor unlikely that they are unsure how to proceed at this time
nobody is sure how to proceed with anything, and his agents are responsible to him to maximize his salary no matter what. it seems like a no brainer to grab the 5 year max but the real possibility exists that halfway thru that deal he will be drastically underpaid
nobody is sure how to proceed with anything, and his agents are responsible to him to maximize his salary no matter what. it seems like a no brainer to grab the 5 year max but the real possibility exists that halfway thru that deal he will be drastically underpaid
Posted on 3/17/15 at 9:08 am to corndeaux
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Does't necessarily mean anything at all. I'll still be shocked if he doesn't sign the 5 year max offer he receives at 12:01AM on July 1.
AD is his own man. I don't see any of these veteran championship creaters (i.e. Celtics & Heat) being able to interupt his legacy. I'm not saying that he stays here for his entire career, but I'm very confident at this point that he stays and continues to build a contender here in NOLA. Because AD is who he is, it can work in this small market. It won't be another Garnett in Minny because AD is so much more than Garnett, imo.
Posted on 3/17/15 at 9:12 am to corndeaux
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I'll still be shocked if he doesn't sign the 5 year max offer he receives at 12:01AM on July 1.
Yeah, the path to becoming a UFA still makes you put over $100 million at risk for a lesser payoff.
5 years Rose Max with 7.5% raises from the Pels with a $90 million cap = roughly $156.8 million
1 year at $9 million + 4 years Rose Max with 4.5% raises with a $100 million cap to go to another team = $137.5 million
No way you take on a year of injury risk to make less money.
Posted on 3/17/15 at 9:16 am to Spitting Venom
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I'm sure he has access to all of the best doctors in the world.
The NO Hornets/Pels have had way too many prolonged injuries to star players that always seem to question if they'll ever be the same...
Baron Davis(back)
David West(reconstructive knee)
Jamal Mashburn (knee)
Chris Paul (knee)
Tyson Chandler (foot)
Eric Gordon
Ryan Anderson
Jrue Holiday
I wonder if our medical/training staff is worth a shite for a long time.
(knock on wood) let's hope the same doesnt happen to AD...ever.
Posted on 3/17/15 at 9:17 am to TigerinATL
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They clearly have some level of inside access, they got the Repriesh info, they just misinterpreted it. The Salmons not being traded was another misinterpretation. Remember when Salmons took a few personal days?
Whether they have a bad source, or they interpret/present the inside info incorrectly, it's all the same to the people it's being presented to.
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So what's the bad info there that Salmons had some personal tragedy to deal with, or that the team wouldn't trade based on that bad stuff?
Not to be a smartass, but I don't think it really matters, nor was that really my point. I understand the team feeling empathetic for Salmons while he goes through a personal situation, but if they would consider not trading him to make the team better (as they did), then they are in the wrong business.
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That Salmons had a personal tragedy this year doesn't seem unreasonable given the facts we have
Again, not trying to be a smartass, but I don't think anyone doubts, or even really cares if this part is true or not.
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He's certainly no Fletcher, and he doesn't claim inside info that often.
To present this information as "inside info" comes of, at least to me, as a little pretentious. I think anyone one here could have told you that it's getting to the point of return, or surgery with Holiday.
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I think it may be getting close to the time for concern to give way to worry.
I think we're already at the point of worry with Holiday.
This post was edited on 3/17/15 at 9:20 am
Posted on 3/17/15 at 9:18 am to RonBurgundy
the scary thing is that most of those players miraculously healed up after they left
Paul
West
Chandler
Davis
remember when Tyson's injury was supposed to be career threatening? Remember when Paul's knee was so bad it was bone on bone?
yeah, me neither
Paul
West
Chandler
Davis
remember when Tyson's injury was supposed to be career threatening? Remember when Paul's knee was so bad it was bone on bone?
yeah, me neither
Posted on 3/17/15 at 9:21 am to cgrand
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Davis
If you don't edit that to add a B. in front of it and something happens to AD
Posted on 3/17/15 at 9:21 am to cgrand
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the scary thing is that most of those players miraculously healed up after they left
Agreed. I know a lot of the injuries span over different medical staffs, but it's becoming all to common for our players.
Posted on 3/17/15 at 9:25 am to TigerinATL
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The Salmons not being traded was another misinterpretation. Remember when Salmons took a few personal days? I don't know what the situation was but MM seemed to be implying it was bad enough that the team wouldn't trade him out of pity. So what's the bad info there that Salmons had some personal tragedy to deal with, or that the team wouldn't trade based on that bad stuff?
Thats why I dont want to hear his speculation. He has no value as a speculator. If he has inside information, but doesnt tell people what it is, only to forward speculation based on that info as insider information, we get this dog shite track record.
I want to be able to make my own inferences. Tell me what you heard. Or dont tell me anything. I dont care what you think what you heard means without you telling me what you heard.
Posted on 3/17/15 at 9:25 am to mm2316
One thing I've found to be true regardless of profession, but especially true with doctors is that people are biased towards what they specialize in. It took Eric Gordon 2 years and multiple surgeries to find the right doctor and right treatment which happened to be physical therapy, not career threatening microfracture surgery.
Posted on 3/17/15 at 9:27 am to Hester Carries
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I want to be able to make my own inferences. Tell me what you heard. Or dont tell me anything. I dont care what you think what you heard means without you telling me what you heard.
Maybe Aced will come along and clear it up, but playing or being back to square 1 seemed more repeating what he had heard than interpreting what he had heard.
Posted on 3/17/15 at 9:32 am to TigerinATL
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They clearly have some level of inside access, they got the Repriesh info, they just misinterpreted it.
MM claims he was told a big firing was going down at Airline Dr. MM took it upon himself to mean that Monty was getting fired, went on PR and posted "He gone," meaning Monty. Meanwhile, all the time it was Rick Reiprish getting the can. Then of course, all kinds of butthurt ensued when he got called out on it.
You know what? Fool me once....blah blah blah. I'm just going to pretend I didn't read the OP.
Posted on 3/17/15 at 9:49 am to Fontainebleau Dr.
Maybe, it is the food.
He should move to Phoenix.
He should move to Phoenix.
Posted on 3/17/15 at 11:53 am to TigerinATL
How about we fire our trainer?
Posted on 3/17/15 at 12:01 pm to tigerbait1.6
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How about we fire our trainer?
He didn't get fired, but John Ishop went to Detroit this offseason and we now have a guy that was the Saints assistant trainer for many years, Duane Brooks, so a change was made already.
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