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Over The Cap guy talks Saints on MMQB
Posted on 3/16/15 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 3/16/15 at 1:15 pm
fair analysis IMO...
The Saints are a fascinating team to watch right now, and I think it has caught many people who follow the league by surprise. These are problems that when you look closely, you can see shaping up two or three years before they become very noticeable. For the Saints, it began with the contract of Drew Brees, which was heavily backloaded and simply deferred problems until the 2014 season. You can deal with one contract like that, but in an attempt to continue to chase the Super Bowl, they made a number of short-sighted contract decisions with veteran players to allow them to keep adding players to the team while just pushing cap charges into the future. When they signed Jimmy Graham and Jairus Byrd last season, that was the final straw. It was a one-year window before the bubble would burst.
Last season the Saints began the year somewhere in the ballpark of $10 million over the cap, before they began deferring more cap charges to the future. That led to this past offseason, with the Saints somewhere around $25 million over the salary cap. They probably would have begun 2016 $35 million over the cap if they remained status quo. Even releasing the players with the worst contracts would have provided little relief. They were just a sinking ship taking on more water. The team really had no choice. The cap was going to ruin the franchise at some point, and they are at least able to turn some bad contracts into draft assets. Players like Thomas Morstead or Rafael Bush might be in danger of release at some point. I could see the team exploring a trade for Kenny Vaccaro if they can receive reasonable value for him this summer.
Moving forward, I would still be watching two big-name players closely in New Orleans. The immediate one is guard Jahri Evans, who has an $11 million cap hit. The second name is Drew Brees, not so much this year but in 2016. Brees will enter the final year of his contract in 2016 with a $27.6 million cap number. Brees will be 37. If the two sides cannot agree on a new deal by next year, I would anticipate that the Saints will be very open to trading Brees, who would likely still hold great value even in his late-30s. That would completely close the chapter on this era of Saints football, but it’s a move they should consider if it gets them the assets needed to turn over the organization. They won’t receive anything if they let him walk away.
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2015 might be the final big push with Breesus at the helm? Maybe. Tough to envision. Question: Saints win the Super Bowl. Trade Brees for maximum return or go for two?
The Saints are a fascinating team to watch right now, and I think it has caught many people who follow the league by surprise. These are problems that when you look closely, you can see shaping up two or three years before they become very noticeable. For the Saints, it began with the contract of Drew Brees, which was heavily backloaded and simply deferred problems until the 2014 season. You can deal with one contract like that, but in an attempt to continue to chase the Super Bowl, they made a number of short-sighted contract decisions with veteran players to allow them to keep adding players to the team while just pushing cap charges into the future. When they signed Jimmy Graham and Jairus Byrd last season, that was the final straw. It was a one-year window before the bubble would burst.
Last season the Saints began the year somewhere in the ballpark of $10 million over the cap, before they began deferring more cap charges to the future. That led to this past offseason, with the Saints somewhere around $25 million over the salary cap. They probably would have begun 2016 $35 million over the cap if they remained status quo. Even releasing the players with the worst contracts would have provided little relief. They were just a sinking ship taking on more water. The team really had no choice. The cap was going to ruin the franchise at some point, and they are at least able to turn some bad contracts into draft assets. Players like Thomas Morstead or Rafael Bush might be in danger of release at some point. I could see the team exploring a trade for Kenny Vaccaro if they can receive reasonable value for him this summer.
Moving forward, I would still be watching two big-name players closely in New Orleans. The immediate one is guard Jahri Evans, who has an $11 million cap hit. The second name is Drew Brees, not so much this year but in 2016. Brees will enter the final year of his contract in 2016 with a $27.6 million cap number. Brees will be 37. If the two sides cannot agree on a new deal by next year, I would anticipate that the Saints will be very open to trading Brees, who would likely still hold great value even in his late-30s. That would completely close the chapter on this era of Saints football, but it’s a move they should consider if it gets them the assets needed to turn over the organization. They won’t receive anything if they let him walk away.
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2015 might be the final big push with Breesus at the helm? Maybe. Tough to envision. Question: Saints win the Super Bowl. Trade Brees for maximum return or go for two?
Posted on 3/16/15 at 1:20 pm to blueslover
2015 will be the Brees swansong in new orleans UNLESS he takes a drastic pay cut which I don't see him doing.
Posted on 3/16/15 at 1:21 pm to geauxtigers87
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2015 will be the Brees swansong in new orleans UNLESS he takes a drastic pay cut which I don't see him doing.
It certainly gives the Saints more leverage to wait until next year for an extension.
Posted on 3/16/15 at 1:25 pm to geauxtigers87
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2015 will be the Brees swansong in new orleans UNLESS he takes a drastic pay cut which I don't see him doing.
More of a home town discount to retire as a Saint. We would need to take that 27.5 and extend it out over the life of a 3 year contract. It would enable us to compete in his twilight years, but he would have to be willing to help us out. Maybe a heavily guaranteed contract might entice him to stay.
Posted on 3/16/15 at 1:27 pm to Mr. Wayne
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Maybe a heavily guaranteed contract might entice him to stay.
Something like what the Pats did when they extended Brady, except they did it a few years early and fully guaranteed the last 2-3 years of the current contract as a signing bonus
Big Ben got a 4 year, $87 million extension today with $60 million guaranteed. I think that a discount at this point is $20 million/year
This post was edited on 3/16/15 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 3/16/15 at 1:28 pm to blueslover
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would anticipate that the Saints will be very open to trading Brees
I will have to be somewhere alone when I listen to that farewell press conference
Posted on 3/16/15 at 1:32 pm to blueslover
Opinion: Drew Brees retires a Saint.
They act like New Orleans is the only franchise that does this. Dallas had to blow it up a few season ago. I'd hardly call what we've done as blowing it up.
Once again, the author acts like the Saints are conceding defeat. Lets trade Drew Brees, cause we aint winning shite.
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they made a number of short-sighted contract decisions with veteran players to allow them to keep adding players to the team while just pushing cap charges into the future
They act like New Orleans is the only franchise that does this. Dallas had to blow it up a few season ago. I'd hardly call what we've done as blowing it up.
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They were just a sinking ship taking on more water. The team really had no choice. The cap was going to ruin the franchise at some point, and they are at least able to turn some bad contracts into draft assets.
Once again, the author acts like the Saints are conceding defeat. Lets trade Drew Brees, cause we aint winning shite.
Posted on 3/16/15 at 1:33 pm to blueslover
If we got a somehow got a superbowl I think he honestly may just retire. He'd have two titles, huge numbers, his health intact, and 4 very young kids. I think he has some big aspirations for his second career. Also human nature would suggest it'll be harder and harder to push yourself with everything else he has going on and his bank account.
The guy would essentially have it all at 37 and could do anything he wanted with the next phase in life.
Fwiw I'm not sure if he would take a heavily reduced contract as he may feel/it would be viewed by his peers as contradictory to what they were fighting for in CBA.
The guy would essentially have it all at 37 and could do anything he wanted with the next phase in life.
Fwiw I'm not sure if he would take a heavily reduced contract as he may feel/it would be viewed by his peers as contradictory to what they were fighting for in CBA.
This post was edited on 3/16/15 at 1:36 pm
Posted on 3/16/15 at 1:40 pm to St Augustine
I think Drew is one of those guys who can't help but compete. He talks about football in a way very few do. I think he genuinely loves the game and wants to play as long as competitively can. When we win the Super Bowl this year, I still see Brees under center the following year.
Posted on 3/16/15 at 2:03 pm to blueslover
The painful truth. Where's Lester to gloat.
Posted on 3/16/15 at 2:07 pm to elprez00
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They act like New Orleans is the only franchise that does this. Dallas had to blow it up a few season ago. I'd hardly call what we've done as blowing it up.
This was my point earlier.
Posted on 3/16/15 at 2:07 pm to blueslover
Uh, yeah.
Drew has at least 2 more titles in him. A dynasty run is at hands my friends.
After that, he becomes Mayor of New Orleans, and then Governor of Louisiana, then POTUS just in time to see Baylen under center for the Saints.
Drew has at least 2 more titles in him. A dynasty run is at hands my friends.
After that, he becomes Mayor of New Orleans, and then Governor of Louisiana, then POTUS just in time to see Baylen under center for the Saints.
Posted on 3/16/15 at 2:09 pm to Chuckiee
I honestly kinda think the opposite and this is not meant as a knock on him at all. He's definitely a competitor in the truest sense, but I don't see it being all encompassing for him. I don't see him being unable to tear himself away the way some other guys have a hard time with. I'd bet it'll be him leaving with another year or two possible instead of stretching it too long.
Posted on 3/16/15 at 2:10 pm to St Augustine
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Fwiw I'm not sure if he would take a heavily reduced contract as he may feel/it would be viewed by his peers as contradictory to what they were fighting for in CBA.
+1 exactly what I believe as well. He may very well want to,but given his status with the players union I don't think he would give up a large contract
Posted on 3/16/15 at 2:25 pm to blueslover
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but in an attempt to continue to chase the Super Bowl, they made a number of short-sighted contract decisions with veteran players to allow them to keep adding players to the team while just pushing cap charges into the future. When they signed Jimmy Graham and Jairus Byrd last season, that was the final straw. It was a one-year window before the bubble would burst.
Posted on 3/16/15 at 2:34 pm to blueslover
I know this guy knows his stuff pretty well but he is wrong on a few points. The biggest I see is when he said we pushed cap forward again last offseason when in fact it was the first season in a few years we didn't push any cap forward.
We didn't do restructures last year. Smith along got us under the cap. Other cuts were made to resign a few guys and add a couple of players. But we did not roll cap forward. We cut cap.
What's shortsighted is the article.
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And when I checked next year's cap before FA we were still about $10m under. We would have been over but his estimate of $35m is ridiculous. It may have been about $15m. And that's if we kept everyone.
We didn't do restructures last year. Smith along got us under the cap. Other cuts were made to resign a few guys and add a couple of players. But we did not roll cap forward. We cut cap.
What's shortsighted is the article.
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And when I checked next year's cap before FA we were still about $10m under. We would have been over but his estimate of $35m is ridiculous. It may have been about $15m. And that's if we kept everyone.
This post was edited on 3/16/15 at 2:37 pm
Posted on 3/16/15 at 3:09 pm to whodatfan
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This was my point earlier.
Same here. We knew how it was going to be for the next few years trying to field a team for Drew's last few years.
And the FA's and draftees along with some sh!tty play and coaching derailed it last year.
Load of the train again for this year and next.
The year after Brees I want to trade players for picks or salary and boot over paid under performers and have a glorious 2-14 season to get the #1 pick.
Posted on 3/16/15 at 3:21 pm to blueslover
He was spot on before all the transactions. Basically called the Lofton cut and most of the other restructures.
Posted on 3/16/15 at 4:19 pm to blueslover
I understand we haven't leveraged this strategy particularly well with some of the personnel decisions, but does anyone think pushing your cap hits past drew's perceived window isn't a sound strategy?
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