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Where does Marcus Mariota rank in the pantheon of college dual-threat QBs?
Posted on 3/15/15 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 3/15/15 at 1:30 pm
The GOATs (in alphabetical order, you dimwits)
John Football
Tommie Frazier
Robert Griffin III
Cam Newton
Tim Tebow
Michael Vick
Pat White
Vince Young
Am I missing anyone else?
Where would you rank Mariota?
John Football
Tommie Frazier
Robert Griffin III
Cam Newton
Tim Tebow
Michael Vick
Pat White
Vince Young
Am I missing anyone else?
Where would you rank Mariota?
This post was edited on 3/15/15 at 1:41 pm
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Posted on 3/15/15 at 1:31 pm to Tornado Alley
I'd rank him just above tim tebow who is the bottom of the list just for being boring
Posted on 3/15/15 at 1:33 pm to Tornado Alley
Michael Vick and Tebow are too low on your list
This post was edited on 3/15/15 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 3/15/15 at 1:33 pm to Tornado Alley
quote:
Am I missing anyone else?
only all of the greats
I am going to guess you are 25 or younger.
This post was edited on 3/15/15 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 3/15/15 at 1:34 pm to DrSteveBrule
He whipped that LSU arse in terribly boring fashion every year 
This post was edited on 3/15/15 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 3/15/15 at 1:34 pm to fightin tigers
quote:
I am going to guess you are 25 or younger
Correct.
Posted on 3/15/15 at 1:38 pm to Tornado Alley
Tommy Frazier should be added as well
Posted on 3/15/15 at 1:39 pm to TechDawg2007
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Tommy Frazier should be added as well
Crouch not as good a passer, but would have him there.
Posted on 3/15/15 at 1:39 pm to UFownstSECsince1950
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He whipped that LSU in terribly boring fashion every year
Tim Tebow scored 10 TDs against the LSU Tigers in his collegiate career
Posted on 3/15/15 at 1:41 pm to UFownstSECsince1950
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He whipped that LSU arse in terribly boring fashion every year
You sure bout that chief.
This post was edited on 3/15/15 at 1:43 pm
Posted on 3/15/15 at 1:42 pm to fightin tigers
I posted this a few months ago:
Posted on 3/15/15 at 1:44 pm to fightin tigers
He went 3-1 against LSU too
Posted on 3/15/15 at 1:46 pm to Tornado Alley
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He went 3-1 against LSU too
He started four games?
Posted on 3/15/15 at 1:49 pm to Tornado Alley
quote:
Am I missing anyone else?
Posted on 3/15/15 at 1:55 pm to ATLTiger
Hamilton was similar to Russell Wilson - primarily a passer who beat you on the scrambles. He very rarely ran plays where QB runs were the primary option.
Posted on 3/15/15 at 1:56 pm to Tornado Alley
A lot of those players including Mariota benefited greatly from the system they were in. Cam and Mike Vick are the only QBs who definitively transcended their systems. Vick in particular had a huge impact at Virginia Tech. Here are Virginia Tech's rankings in scoring offense before, with and after Vick.
1994-37
1995-29
1996-25
1997-46
1998-25
1999-1 (With Vick)
2000-4 (With Vick)
2001-27
2002-30
2003-13
2004-25
The only time Beamer had anything remotely resembling an elite offense was with Vick. Most of the time, they were ranked in the 20s or lower. OTOH, Oregon's offense was potent before Mariota and will continue to be great after he leaves. Urban's had three top five scoring offenses, all of them with different starting QBs without Tebow. Texas was a perennial top 10 scoring offense before Vince. Sumlin had two teams that led the nation in scoring at Houston. Baylor hasn't skipped a beat since RGIII has left. So I would probably put Cam at 1, Vick at 2, Vince at 3 and then a drop-off after that.
1994-37
1995-29
1996-25
1997-46
1998-25
1999-1 (With Vick)
2000-4 (With Vick)
2001-27
2002-30
2003-13
2004-25
The only time Beamer had anything remotely resembling an elite offense was with Vick. Most of the time, they were ranked in the 20s or lower. OTOH, Oregon's offense was potent before Mariota and will continue to be great after he leaves. Urban's had three top five scoring offenses, all of them with different starting QBs without Tebow. Texas was a perennial top 10 scoring offense before Vince. Sumlin had two teams that led the nation in scoring at Houston. Baylor hasn't skipped a beat since RGIII has left. So I would probably put Cam at 1, Vick at 2, Vince at 3 and then a drop-off after that.
Posted on 3/15/15 at 2:01 pm to Tornado Alley
Better than RG3.
Lower than all the heisman winning national championship game winning QBs.
Lower than Tommie Frazer who won multiple national championships.
Lower than Vick cause Vick was just better.
Lower than Johnny Football because JFF was just better at the collegiate level at making plays. Sub Mariota in with JFF and Oregon beats Stanford in 2012 and wins it all. Maybe beats Ohio State this year by scrambling into the end zone on those trips where we stalled in the redzone and had to settle for one turnover on downs and two FGs.
That being said, Marcus is still an all time college football player. Winning the championship game when the team was down 3 WRs, TE, and best OT would have pushed him close to GOAT status imo. Dude was throwing to second stringers across the board.
eta - In no way does this disparage that Ohio State was a better team. I am just saying Manziel would have been able to make up for not having weapons in the passing game by scrambling for big plays. He's far more elusive than Mariota.
eta - Lower than Vince Young as well, cause Vince got it done.
Lower than all the heisman winning national championship game winning QBs.
Lower than Tommie Frazer who won multiple national championships.
Lower than Vick cause Vick was just better.
Lower than Johnny Football because JFF was just better at the collegiate level at making plays. Sub Mariota in with JFF and Oregon beats Stanford in 2012 and wins it all. Maybe beats Ohio State this year by scrambling into the end zone on those trips where we stalled in the redzone and had to settle for one turnover on downs and two FGs.
That being said, Marcus is still an all time college football player. Winning the championship game when the team was down 3 WRs, TE, and best OT would have pushed him close to GOAT status imo. Dude was throwing to second stringers across the board.
eta - In no way does this disparage that Ohio State was a better team. I am just saying Manziel would have been able to make up for not having weapons in the passing game by scrambling for big plays. He's far more elusive than Mariota.
eta - Lower than Vince Young as well, cause Vince got it done.
This post was edited on 3/15/15 at 2:06 pm
Posted on 3/15/15 at 2:07 pm to Tornado Alley
Steve McNair has to be close to the top of any list.
Posted on 3/15/15 at 2:08 pm to Jalbow3
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Steve McNair has to be close to the top of any list.
McNair at Alcorn went off. He was before his time. Florida really fricked up not letting him play QB.
Posted on 3/15/15 at 2:08 pm to Tornado Alley
I wouldn't call Frazier and White dual threat QBs. I would call them option QBs
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