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re: USA today gets the Graham trade...
Posted on 3/11/15 at 10:57 am to kiNupe5
Posted on 3/11/15 at 10:57 am to kiNupe5
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and the saints just sold it on craigslist to buy a fridge but sent the microwave too and forgot they still dont have a stove
Offensive line is instantly better and defense and WR will be heavily addressed in FA and Draft.
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Posted on 3/11/15 at 10:58 am to adamb2151
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But don’t forget: The Saints were lighting up scoreboards well before Graham arrived in New Orleans.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 11:00 am to JohnZeroQ
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stop acting like Jimmy wasn't a beast and didn't make plays almost every game.
Not saying that at all. But I am saying we can be a great offense without him. We cant be a great offense without fixing the OL and getting younger through the draft.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 11:03 am to JohnZeroQ
quote:but we literally have like almost none of those guys still on the roster soooo......yea. SF can say the exact same thing and it doesn't make the situation any better, Dont get me wrong Im not down on sending Jimmy i'm down because we missed to opportunity to make someone severely overpay.
But don’t forget: The Saints were lighting up scoreboards well before Graham arrived in New Orleans.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 11:03 am to adamb2151
I hate to use Dallas as a positive example, however, they did it the right way. Build a more solid front wall and everything else trickles from there. THAT is the place to start and we certainly needed help on the OL interior.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 11:05 am to adamb2151
I love this article and I love you for posting it. Hell, we should move in together.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 11:06 am to adamb2151
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The Saints were lighting up scoreboards well before Graham arrived in New Orleans.
Exactly. Good TE's are great and great TE's are even better, but I've never know a great TE to be the linchpin of a Super Bowl Champ. Good offensive lines make everyone on the offense better. Give me a great QB, a very good OL and a good front 7 on defense, and everything else will fall into place.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 11:07 am to adamb2151
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Not saying that at all. But I am saying we can be a great offense without him. We cant be a great offense without fixing the OL and getting younger through the draft.
this this this for the love of god this
Posted on 3/11/15 at 11:08 am to Alt26
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Give me a great QB, a very good OL and a good front 7 on defense, and everything else will fall into place.
Pretty much the key ingredients for winning a championship in football at any level.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 11:42 am to adamb2151
They nailed just about everything. I think this will be a win for Brees though, and most likely the seahawks as well. Graham definitely lost and for the trade to be worth it Lynch is going to have to lose carries.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 11:47 am to JS87
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Give me a great QB, a very good OL and a good front 7 on defense, and everything else will fall into place.
And don't forget the defensive backs.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 11:51 am to bonethug0108
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I think this will be a win for Brees though, and most likely the seahawks as well
yes and yes. that's just it, the Seahawks received an elite player. it's funny how quickly everyone has turned on Graham in the last 12 hours. (those graham bithcers were annoying and now have become the cool crowd... brees will get destroyed when he no longer is playing)
Posted on 3/11/15 at 11:58 am to adamb2151
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But don’t forget: The Saints were lighting up scoreboards well before Graham arrived in New Orleans.
do people not realize that those guys are gone? and the ones that remain (Colston) are on their last legs? Those guys have been slowly but surely washed out, and Jimmy Graham was the bridge that kept the offense ticking.
Henderson- got old
Meachem- failure
Nick Toon- failure
Moore- got old
Reggie- traded
Sproles- traded
Pierre- released
we've lost a ton of guys, and as 2013 showed, what we had left started to slow up big time. Jimmy Graham was the bridge. We a bunch of moves to make to be back in position to where we were pre-Graham.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 12:06 pm to Midget Death Squad
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it's funny how quickly everyone has turned on Graham in the last 12 hours. (those graham bithcers were annoying and now have become the cool crowd...
Funny how that works huh. Yeah i love the trade but, I'm not going to devalue JG and his talent either. Seattle got them a hell of a player. [insert old-timey saying about eggs and omletes and such]
Posted on 3/11/15 at 12:13 pm to Lester Earl
I strongly disagree with anyone that thinks it has been the skill position players that have been the issue. This is assumed because our offense has been "failing" and the WR numbers are down.
The two real factors (and they go hand in hand) why the WR numbers are down are Graham and a declining OL.
If you check out how often and how quickly Brees has been getting pressured you can see it has steadily increased. From the middle losing Nicks and Goodwin originally to having to start Charlie Brown to the rapid decline of Evans the last two years, Brees has been under major pressure.
What did QBs do under pressure? Check down (look at how many catches Sproles and PT had combined two years ago) or look for their security blanket (and Graham is a huge blanket).
So the combo of a declining Oline and Graham being the most targeted player EVERY year starting in 2011, it has caused many to look at the receivers numbers and blame them for our struggles.
Just watch how high the WR numbers are this year without Graham sucking up targets and the Oline fixed.
The two real factors (and they go hand in hand) why the WR numbers are down are Graham and a declining OL.
If you check out how often and how quickly Brees has been getting pressured you can see it has steadily increased. From the middle losing Nicks and Goodwin originally to having to start Charlie Brown to the rapid decline of Evans the last two years, Brees has been under major pressure.
What did QBs do under pressure? Check down (look at how many catches Sproles and PT had combined two years ago) or look for their security blanket (and Graham is a huge blanket).
So the combo of a declining Oline and Graham being the most targeted player EVERY year starting in 2011, it has caused many to look at the receivers numbers and blame them for our struggles.
Just watch how high the WR numbers are this year without Graham sucking up targets and the Oline fixed.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 12:15 pm to bonethug0108
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I strongly disagree with anyone that thinks it has been the skill position players that have been the issue. This is assumed because our offense has been "failing" and the WR numbers are down.
I think that they were easily an issue in 2013 when we couldn't get seperation.
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If you check out how often and how quickly Brees has been getting pressured you can see it has steadily increased.
True, but Evans went from allowing 2 sacks and 12 pressures to allowing 6 sacks and 32? pressures. It was a cliff.
The craziest thing is that Drew got rid of the ball faster last year than he usually did. I think we saw this a lot early on when we just didn't have anytime to go deep or even attempt to.
Went from 2.72 seconds till attempt to 2.63 seconds till attempt, yet the pressures still went way up
Posted on 3/11/15 at 12:16 pm to mindbreaker
Yup I have my issues with how Graham played at times (drops because he looked for the hit too soon and alligator arming to avoid hits mostly but lack of effort in run blocking also though that improved last year) he was dominant when healthy and still good when injured.
But we needed Oline help more than we needed Graham and we got a first.
But we needed Oline help more than we needed Graham and we got a first.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 12:18 pm to Lester Earl
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do people not realize that those guys are gone? and the ones that remain (Colston) are on their last legs? Those guys have been slowly but surely washed out, and Jimmy Graham was the bridge that kept the offense ticking.
True, but we have better receivers than 2009 IMO with Stills and Cooks.
Stills > Henderson
Cooks > Meachem
Colston < 2009 Colston
Moore - only played in 7 games in 2009
I think that 2009 was deeper with Shockey, but we have some dynamic receivers in Stills and Cooks. I think Hill can be a pretty damn good pass catching TE.
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Henderson- got old
Stills is better than Henderson ever was IMO. Hell of a deep threat, but so is stills and a better receiver
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Meachem- failure
That dual deep threat with the PA in 2009 was deadly. That is what we're going for this year
This post was edited on 3/11/15 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 3/11/15 at 12:18 pm to BestStop
Dallas is a good example (and frankly Seattle is too, they just forgot about Lynch at a crucial moment)... when you have Demarco Murray running like he did last season (or Lynch) I'm not sure you need a crazy freakish matchup in the red zone. Just feed your beast and get the yards.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 12:22 pm to Laaz2750
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Dallas is a good example (and frankly Seattle is too, they just forgot about Lynch at a crucial moment)... when you have Demarco Murray running like he did last season (or Lynch) I'm not sure you need a crazy freakish matchup in the red zone. Just feed your beast and get the yards.
Remember the Cincy and Baltimore game? We had another game where we couldn't do it too
Not being able to punch it in up the middle from the 1 completely changed those 2 games. They had complete penetration up the middle every time
That alone should help us in the redzone. The Saints weren't great in the redzone last year either. The running game is more important than a redzone threat
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