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Posted on 3/11/15 at 10:00 am to LSUfan97
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While it would probably help the team become more competitive, Drew Brees shouldn't have to restructure his deal. The saints agreed to the contract and were stupid enough to have his contract have a cap hit of 27 million. It's their problem, not his.
I'm not sure how any of your logic helps me watch the Saints win football games.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 6:03 pm to The Sad Banana
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I was listening to the radio this morning and it seems like Drew will restructure his contract, but not this year. It may be more likely to happen next league year.
Also, you have to realize that Drew Brees isn't the GM of the Saints. It's not his job to restructure his contract. From everything I can tell and have read/heard, he wasn't even asked to restructure this year.
I have a hard time imagining him being the kind of player who wouldn't restructure if asked. Furthermore, he's the goddamn face of the team and without him this franchise is shite. You know it, everyone in this thread knows it, and everyone at Saints HQ knows it. So, be smart and direct your frustrations elsewhere.
Restructure and Extend are two different things so to speak, but let's go with extending, which would make sense. I'm sure Brees is willing to do that, but probably wants so much money that it wouldn't make sense to do it. They would have to do an option type deal, like Manning had with the Colts. You get a couple of years with cap room, then take a big hit if you opt to keep him going forward.
Maybe the Saints don't want to put themselves in that situation, or maybe Brees doesn't want to be in that situation. IDK? You can do a deal without being in that situation, but Brees would have to be willing to take a deal Not being the highest paid QB. Brady has done it multiple times. His deals have been "less" than Mannings deals, but in reality, he still got paid and got security in his contract.
Brees seems unwilling to do a Brady type deal for some reason. The Saints offered Brees an extension for two years trying to avoid what happened in 2012...and what they are dealing with now with cap hits. Brees played out his contract, even though him getting hurt, would have meant no more money and no new contract. As it stands now, Brees already got his guaranteed money out of this contract, because he demanded it to be heavily front loaded. Now the Saints have a big cap hit, and Brees has no guarantee past this season if he were to get hurt. So it just doesn't make sense to me.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 6:14 pm to s_i5
Brees is a good QB but not worth the salary the Saints are paying. I'd rather trade the QB and get some pics to build for the future. Use the extra money on DL/OL/LB/CB. Payton can get the offense going with Winston but Ryan needs talent on defense.
I particularly like the idea of trading him to the Bucs for the #1 pick and choose Winston. Once Winston gets over his attitude I think he will be an excellent QB in the NFL. Might not like Winston personally but the dude is a flat out competitor and wins games.
I particularly like the idea of trading him to the Bucs for the #1 pick and choose Winston. Once Winston gets over his attitude I think he will be an excellent QB in the NFL. Might not like Winston personally but the dude is a flat out competitor and wins games.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 7:25 pm to Smedium27
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Drew Bree's must have single handily won us that Super Bowl
I thought you knew we could line up just Drew by himself and let him play and we would be 16-0 and Super Bowl Champs! Now to get the FO to realize this!
This post was edited on 3/11/15 at 7:29 pm
Posted on 3/11/15 at 7:36 pm to s_i5
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As it stands now, Brees already got his guaranteed money out of this contract, because he demanded it to be heavily front loaded.
What? His contract is backloaded cap wise and base salary wise. You posted a paragraph like it's a fact and it is completely wrong.
He's due $18 million as a base salary in 2015 and $19.75 in 2016. The largest of the contract.It was $10 million last year. He has close to $40 million in new money over the next 2 seasons.
Cap Hit
2012: $10.4 (Base: $3)
2013: $17.4 (Base: $9.75)
2014: $18.4 (Base: $10.75)
2015: $26.4 (Base: $18.75)
2016: $27.5 (Base: $19.75)
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Brady has done it multiple times.
He also did a deal that made him the highest paid QB in the NFL
This post was edited on 3/11/15 at 7:50 pm
Posted on 3/11/15 at 7:52 pm to TigerBait1127
I find it funny that in his first contact here he way out performed it. Never complained, never asked for more money, and played the whole thing out.
Now he gets paid like a top 5 QB which he is. He suddenly becomes a money hungry selfish player who doesn't want to help the team.
Now he gets paid like a top 5 QB which he is. He suddenly becomes a money hungry selfish player who doesn't want to help the team.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 7:58 pm to mindbreaker
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I find it funny that in his first contact here he way out performed it. Never complained, never asked for more money, and played the whole thing out.
Now he gets paid like a top 5 QB which he is. He suddenly becomes a money hungry selfish player who doesn't want to help the team.
Because you know, Brees should take only 10mil/yr so he can win more rings for us. ITS ALL ABOUT US
Posted on 3/11/15 at 8:03 pm to mindbreaker
I also love the Brady argument. He was the highest paid QB at one point.
Now he's married to the richest model in the world who makes around $60 million/year
There's around $400-500 million that separates Brees from the Brady family. Then they bring up his restructuring this off season that didn't even help their cap
Now he's married to the richest model in the world who makes around $60 million/year
There's around $400-500 million that separates Brees from the Brady family. Then they bring up his restructuring this off season that didn't even help their cap
Posted on 3/11/15 at 8:20 pm to TNTiger1984
I am fairly certain many of you don't remember anything before the year 2009. If you did, you might realize that "building for the future" is all we did. While the purpose of a message board may be to give space for people to give their thoughts on a subject, too many of you are exercising that option.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 10:23 pm to TigerBait1127
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What? His contract is backloaded cap wise and base salary wise. You posted a paragraph like it's a fact and it is completely wrong.
He's due $18 million as a base salary in 2015 and $19.75 in 2016. The largest of the contract.It was $10 million last year. He has close to $40 million in new money over the next 2 seasons.
Cap Hit
2012: $10.4 (Base: $3)
2013: $17.4 (Base: $9.75)
2014: $18.4 (Base: $10.75)
2015: $26.4 (Base: $18.75)
2016: $27.5 (Base: $19.75)
That's because he got a $37 million signing bonus upfront. About $60 million was guaranteed.
37+3+9.75+10.75 = $60.5 million.
His 2015 salary of $18.75 is fully guaranteed now, that became effective on 2/4/15.
2016 is a number on paper right now. Dead cap for 2016 is $7.4 million (1/5th of his signing bonus and that's it.)
This post was edited on 3/11/15 at 10:24 pm
Posted on 3/11/15 at 10:29 pm to mindbreaker
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I find it funny that in his first contact here he way out performed it. Never complained, never asked for more money, and played the whole thing out.
...and the Saints tried to extend him for two years prior to 2012. They didn't want to be in the position they are in right now. Brees does what is best for Brees, whether it makes sense to others or not. A lot of players do, but he acts like he's doing whatever it takes to make sure he has the very best team around him. This is NOT the case. That's my beef with him.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 10:32 pm to s_i5
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That's because he got a $37 million signing bonus upfront. About $60 million was guaranteed.
Kind of correct. $40 million was fully guaranteed (signing bonus + 1st years pay) at the time of signing. Saints had a waiver period to cut him at the end of each year before a good portion became fully guaranteed.
He has the same structure and waiver period next year. His 2016 salary is no more guaranteed in structure than his 2013 salary was
Still, the contract structure and cap hits are HEAVILY backloaded. Also, I believe a good portion of the signing bonus went into an escrow account for some reason.
This post was edited on 3/11/15 at 10:38 pm
Posted on 3/11/15 at 10:42 pm to TigerBait1127
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I also love the Brady argument. He was the highest paid QB at one point.
Now he's married to the richest model in the world who makes around $60 million/year
There's around $400-500 million that separates Brees from the Brady family. Then they bring up his restructuring this off season that didn't even help their cap
Please stop sucking Brees' dick for 5 minutes! Yes Brady is married to her, but he'd have more than enough fricking money without her, and the point remains that Brady didn't have to do those things, he chose to. You act like Brees is starving...next bring up his kids...poor guy.
Fact is Brady has worked with the Patriots his entire career to make things work when they need him to. He also has 4 Super Bowl rings and played in 6 of them. Manning (up til now because he is old) has taken every penny he could get even when it hurt his team. Manning also knows how to say all the right things and sound so wonderful. Manning and Brees are very similar...and share the same agent.
Brady has had the most success and worked with his team to make it a better team a hell of a lot more than Brees or Manning.
Brees gives you a boner, doesn't he?
Posted on 3/11/15 at 10:43 pm to s_i5
Very intelligent
He did. They also made it a point to extend him early, making him the highest paid QB in the league. The Saints delayed and Brees took the risk of playing a contract year. It takes both parties. We should have extended him at least 3 years in 2009 like we said we were going to, then backed out
I would love for you to breakdown his career earnings like you did Brees.
Also, bradys "restructure" was an extension that was mutually beneficial and guaranteed his pay down the line. My point about his career earnings clearly went over your head
The restructure this year did zero for cap space and was about cash flow
Tell me more about how Brees has a front loaded contract
The term is called Breeser and of course I'm a Drew Brees fan. He's transformed our franchise.
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Fact is Brady has worked with the Patriots his entire career to make things work when they need him to
He did. They also made it a point to extend him early, making him the highest paid QB in the league. The Saints delayed and Brees took the risk of playing a contract year. It takes both parties. We should have extended him at least 3 years in 2009 like we said we were going to, then backed out
I would love for you to breakdown his career earnings like you did Brees.
Also, bradys "restructure" was an extension that was mutually beneficial and guaranteed his pay down the line. My point about his career earnings clearly went over your head
The restructure this year did zero for cap space and was about cash flow
Tell me more about how Brees has a front loaded contract
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Brees gives you a boner, doesn't he?
The term is called Breeser and of course I'm a Drew Brees fan. He's transformed our franchise.
This post was edited on 3/11/15 at 10:49 pm
Posted on 3/12/15 at 11:17 am to saltybulldog
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I am fairly certain many of you don't remember anything before the year 2009
I have childhood memories of Saints games at Tulane Stadium... Were you even born during that time?
If "building for the future" gets us another Super Bowl trophy I'm all for it.
I'm praying for the Saints to ship off Bree's. His salary cap numbers are killing the Saints ability to build a Championship Team. I'd rather sell high and get something in return then him retire and get nothing...
Posted on 3/12/15 at 11:27 am to s_i5
Again, it's not Brees' job to restructure, extend, renegotiate, whatever his contract. Mickey Loomis flat out said Brees wasn't ask to do anything.
So, if you have to be angry, be angry at Mickey Loomis.
All of the other things, like cap hits and how much money he is owed and should he restructure to help the team out...of course he should.
So, if you have to be angry, be angry at Mickey Loomis.
All of the other things, like cap hits and how much money he is owed and should he restructure to help the team out...of course he should.
Posted on 3/12/15 at 6:27 pm to TigerBait1127
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He did. They also made it a point to extend him early, making him the highest paid QB in the league. The Saints delayed and Brees took the risk of playing a contract year. It takes both parties. We should have extended him at least 3 years in 2009 like we said we were going to, then backed out
I would love for you to breakdown his career earnings like you did Brees.
Also, bradys "restructure" was an extension that was mutually beneficial and guaranteed his pay down the line. My point about his career earnings clearly went over your head
The restructure this year did zero for cap space and was about cash flow
Tell me more about how Brees has a front loaded contract
Idiot, the Saints tried to extend him for 2 years before 2012. Brees didn't take it.
Idiot, He was given $40 million up front out of 60 Million guaranteed. That is front loaded. I'm talking dollars, you are talking base salary. His contract was 100 million with 60 million guaranteed, and basically got 40 million when he signed. What part of that do you Not understand? Do you still Not understand that most, if not all of his 2016 salary is Not guaranteed at this point, and his 2015 salary was Not fully guaranteed until 2/4/2015????
No shite it would still be beneficial to Brees if they did anything different with his contract. I've even stated that myself.
According to Spotrac:
Tom Brady Est. Earnings (15 seasons) $149,779,500
Drew Brees Est. Earnings (14 seasons) $131,455,000
This season is his 15th season, which (including workout bonus) is $19 Million, so...
Drew Brees Est. Earnings (15 seasons) $150,455,000
Tom Brady: 4 Super Bowl wins, 6 Super Bowl appearances
Drew Brees: 1 Super Bowl win, 1 Super Bowl appearance.
Also Brady didn't marry her until 2009. He had already won 3 super bowls after the 2005 season, and still worked with the team.
Difference is Brady works with his team to win, but doesn't say much about it. Brees acts like he works with his team, talks about it a lot, but doesn't do anything about it, except act shocked when people are traded!
Brees is a hypocritical PR machine. He can do what he wants with his contract. That is his right, but Brees being so wonderful and saintly (no pun intended) is bullshite!
***I don't give a shite what term you use, I'm not one of the ones saying restructure. Extension, yes I know, so you can stop repeating that crap as if I don't understand the difference. At least you got something right, so you probably will keep repeating it anyway.
This post was edited on 3/12/15 at 6:30 pm
Posted on 3/12/15 at 6:51 pm to s_i5
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Idiot, He was given $40 million up front out of 60 Million guaranteed. That is front loaded. I'm talking dollars, you are talking base salary. His contract was 100 million with 60 million guaranteed, and basically got 40 million when he signed.
Ok, so then pretty much every NFL contract is frontloaded due to the signing bonus. By almost every standard in the NFL, this is considered a back loaded contract. His next two years are just as guaranteed contract wise as his 2nd season.
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Do you still Not understand that most, if not all of his 2016 salary is Not guaranteed at this point, and his 2015 salary was Not fully guaranteed until 2/4/2015???
Do you understand that the same thing could be said about his entire contract outside of year 1? We've had the waiver option every single year, so in truth, only his 1st year was guaranteed.
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According to Spotrac:
Tom Brady Est. Earnings (15 seasons) $149,779,500
Drew Brees Est. Earnings (14 seasons) $131,455,000
This season is his 15th season, which (including workout bonus) is $19 Million, so...
Drew Brees Est. Earnings (15 seasons) $150,455,000
Love how you add this year's to Drew's and not Tom's.
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Also Brady didn't marry her until 2009. He had already won 3 super bowls after the 2005 season, and still worked with the team.
He signed the largest contract in NFL history in 2010. His extension came in 2012 and it guaranteed his level of play for a few more years. Drew hasn't had the opportunity to be extended yet...that is the Saints decision
Idiot
This post was edited on 3/12/15 at 7:14 pm
Posted on 3/12/15 at 10:51 pm to TigerBait1127
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Ok, so then pretty much every NFL contract is frontloaded due to the signing bonus. By almost every standard in the NFL, this is considered a back loaded contract. His next two years are just as guaranteed contract wise as his 2nd season.
No, most do not get that large a percentage of their contract up front. No shite, it is common practice to back load the salaries to the end of the contract, which is usually money that is not guaranteed.
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His next two years are just as guaranteed contract wise as his 2nd season.
Now I truly believe you have a cognitive developmental disability with that moronic statement. I'm not going to explain it to you again, as it seems you are incapable of grasping it.
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Do you understand that the same thing could be said about his entire contract outside of year 1? We've had the waiver option every single year, so in truth, only his 1st year was guaranteed.
LMAO. Yeah they could have done that. They would have had to pay him $20 million to leave and carry a dead cap hit of $29.6 Million dollars. LMFAO...whoa!
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Love how you add this year's to Drew's and not Tom's.
I'm not even going to ask if you know why I did that. I will ask how you are allowed to live in society without 24 hour supervision??
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He signed the largest contract in NFL history in 2010. His extension came in 2012 and it guaranteed his level of play for a few more years.
...and he still did what i said he did, so thanks for the useless information.
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Drew hasn't had the opportunity to be extended yet...that is the Saints decision
Idiot
Does making stuff up in order to preserve your love and worship for Drew make you feel better?
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