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re: Drew Bree's shouldn't have to restructure his contract

Posted on 3/10/15 at 10:57 pm to
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
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Posted on 3/10/15 at 10:57 pm to
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And the fact we had a top 5 defense and a top 5 run game has nothing to do with the success we had Pre- 100 million dollar Drew?



From 2006-2011, the Saints had an average defense of 19.

From 2006-2011, the Saints average rushing offense ranked 19th.

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Drew Bree's must have single handily won us that Super Bowl



I don't think anyone has said that, but we sure don't win it without him. You act like he had no part of it and actually said he was a bad FA signing.

Saints somehow fielded a good defense in 2013 and then were able to afford the most expensive safety in the NFL too.

Also, as history has shown, we haven't exactly fielded great defenses when he wasn't taking up cap space.
This post was edited on 3/10/15 at 11:00 pm
Posted by THRILLHO
Metry, LA
Member since Apr 2006
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Posted on 3/10/15 at 11:00 pm to
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it still doesn't cover up the negligence of Loomis. While my points on taking a pay cut were based of an error, what I said was logical if it were true.


"I shot the mailman because I thought that he was breaking into my house. While that ended up being untrue, it would have still been justified if the mailman were attempting to break in. I still blame the mailman."
Posted by Smedium27
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Posted on 3/10/15 at 11:03 pm to
I was referring to the super bowl season, his contract year.

Elite run game, elite turnover ratio, and overall elite defense

Years before that, without looking, we weren't that great of a TEAM before that epic super bowl year
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 3/10/15 at 11:05 pm to
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I was referring to the super bowl season, his contract year.





You don't know what you're talking about. The super bowl season was not his contract year. He signed his contract in the 2012 offseason.

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Elite run game, elite turnover ratio, and overall elite defense



We finished 6th overall in running, same with yrds/attempt. Also, it isn't Drew's fault the highest paid guards are declining. There is zero reason our offense still shouldn't be clicking at this point.

We finished 25th in defense, but we were able to get the turnovers like you said. It was opportunistic, but not considered elite.

So not top 5 in either...


I get it, you just hate Drew Brees. You hated him before the contract and hated the signing in the first place when you were in High School/
This post was edited on 3/10/15 at 11:15 pm
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
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Posted on 3/10/15 at 11:12 pm to
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This post was edited on 3/10/15 at 11:13 pm
Posted by Smedium27
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Posted on 3/10/15 at 11:15 pm to
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The super bowl season was not his contract year. He signed his contract in the 2012 offseason. 




I admit I was wrong at that, always thought the super bowl year was his contract year.

My ultimate dislike of Brees mainly comes from him HOLDING OUT for more money, and the fact he is barely 6 foot and his pass gets swatted everytime their is pressure up the middle, and also he isnt mobile enough to run out the pocket, consistently, and extend the time for his receivers.

I feel what I just mention are some serious faults he has and we should, aka Mickey, should have considered these faults and realize we cant throw all this money toward a player that cant succeed without a solid run game and interior blocking

Yea we have the highest guard salary combo, but we forgot about the defensive side. Drew Brees is a GREAT quarterback... however, this isn't basketball where one player can completely change a team.

The ultimate problem is the fact we or Mickey didnt consider what will happen when teams figure drew out while we continue to pay him 20+ million a year
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 3/10/15 at 11:17 pm to
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My ultimate dislike of Brees mainly comes from him HOLDING OUT for more money, and the fact he is barely 6 foot and his pass gets swatted everytime their is pressure up the middle, and also he isnt mobile enough to run out the pocket, consistently, and extend the time for his receivers.



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And I'm sorry but IMO I F*cking Hate Drew Bree's and always did even before we sign his big contract. And one day when every one gets off Drew Bree's Dick.... We will realize signing him and not trading the Colts Drew Brees for rights to Andrew Luck or Draft Russel Wilson ( Believe me or not but I called Russel Wilson being good ) he will (Drew Brees) make this team back to our sub .500 days

And I will Hate Drew until the day he runs out the pocket and extends time to throw, reconstruct his contract, grow 3 Inches, and never wear a Saints Uniform again[/



You're a complete idiot who can't even appreciate Hall of Fame QB play and the best player our franchise has ever have and maybe ever will have.

You might call yourself a Saints fan, but you aren't one. You're irrational and didn't even know what year he signed his contract

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Yea we have the highest guard salary combo, but we forgot about the defensive side


Byrd, Junior, Cam Jordan, Lofton, Lewis, Vaccaro, Greer, Robinson, Jenkins, Bunkley, Harper, and Hawthorne. We've invested in the defensive side via the draft and FA, we just haven't always hit like with the Jenkins draft pick.
This post was edited on 3/10/15 at 11:21 pm
Posted by Smedium27
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Posted on 3/10/15 at 11:20 pm to
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And I will Hate Drew until the day he runs out the pocket and extends time to throw, reconstruct his contract, grow 3 Inches, and never wear a Saints Uniform again[/ 




I pretty much been saying the same thing about him for a while now
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My ultimate dislike of Brees mainly comes from him HOLDING OUT for more money, and the fact he is barely 6 foot and his pass gets swatted everytime their is pressure up the middle, and also he isnt mobile enough to run out the pocket, consistently, and extend the time for his receivers.



Atleast I am consistent unlike majority of the people here who rant based off what is the popular opinion



This post was edited on 3/10/15 at 11:23 pm
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 3/10/15 at 11:21 pm to
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I pretty much been saying the same thing about him for a while now



Yes, you've been an idiot for a while now. Like here:

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and also he isnt mobile enough to run out the pocket, consistently, and extend the time for his receivers.


He's extremely mobile and consistently has one of the lowest sack rates in the NFL when pressured. You don't understand how athletic he is. This is actually one of his biggest strengths, but you're too blind to realize it. You probably don't realize that he was a dual threat coming out of college and had to learn the elite pocket presence that he has now.

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and his pass gets swatted everytime their is pressure up the middle,


Like this year when he completed close to 70% of his passes despite constant pressure up the middle? Or how he has the 2 most accurate seasons in NFL history? Not to mention or constant 3rd down greatness.

I thought you were done posting?

And to say the Saints have ignored defense is laughable:

Byrd, Junior, Cam Jordan, Lofton, Lewis, Vaccaro, Greer, Robinson, Jenkins, Bunkley, Harper, and Hawthorne. We've invested in the defensive side via the draft and FA, we just haven't always hit like with the Jenkins draft pick.
This post was edited on 3/10/15 at 11:31 pm
Posted by LSUfan97
Member since Jul 2013
293 posts
Posted on 3/10/15 at 11:23 pm to
I think you're taking it out of context. What I was trying to say was that while I based points of my argument off of an erroneous assertion, the points based off of the erroneus assertion would have made sense had the assertion been true rather than false. I'm not saying that I'm right. I'm just saying that my opinion should be respected because it was based off of logic, rather than ignorantly criticized. When I say ignorantly criticized I'm not refer in to those who said that I was wrong based off of factual evidence. I am referring to the person who made a poor attempt at insulting me.
Posted by Smedium27
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Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 3/10/15 at 11:32 pm to
Im done posting on saints board, but the ignorance being said toward those who have a different opinion is just childish

And the reason why I stick to my opinion about not wanting to sign drew to his big contract is simply based off the idea that at one point Sean Payton was considered to save Drew career after he got cut. Who knows where this team will be if we didn't sign drew initially or sign him.to that big contract

We can assume we go 0-16 every year like most people here assume, but the fact is WE HAVE NO CLUE what would of happen.

Sean Peyton made Drew Brees look awesome in his offense, and when sean was suspended we saw Drew struggle a little. So maybe Sean has that ability to turn another good quarterback to a great one

AGAIN WE HAVE NO IDEA, and all this board does is assume and majority of the posters here go with the majority opinion just so they don't get yelled at and hurt their low self esteem

I get yellled at all the time, for insanely unorthodox opinions, but atleast I attempt to back my opinion other than just tell someone else their opinion is dumb and they deserve to be banned

Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 3/10/15 at 11:37 pm to
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Sean Payton was considered to save Drew career after he got cut.


You once again don't know what you're talking about.

Drew Brees wasn't cut by SD, he actually turned down an extension. He was coming off a major injury. He was 1 year removed from a season with a 105 QB rating

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And the reason why I stick to my opinion about not wanting to sign drew to his big contract i


You've said that drew brees was a bad free agent signing. That is the dumbest thing ever posted on any board of TD.

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I get yellled at all the time, for insanely unorthodox opinions, but atleast I attempt to back my opinion other than just tell someone else their opinion is dumb and they deserve to be banned





I've done more than backup everything I've said. You've backed up nothing and your beliefs are based on things that aren't even true.

I'm not sure how you've attempted to backup your opinions. You make claims about batted balls, but offer zero stats in comparison with the rest of the league. Somehow, he routinely completes an all-time great % of passes each year. You offer claims about his mobility, but the stats show that he consistently has a low sack % when under pressure. You criticize his height, but wanted Wilson...

You don't back up anything, because you have no idea what you're talking about. Just like this posts and others that are filled with things that aren't true.
This post was edited on 3/10/15 at 11:43 pm
Posted by Smedium27
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Member since Aug 2010
3517 posts
Posted on 3/10/15 at 11:49 pm to
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You make claims about batted balls, but offer zero stats in comparison with the rest of the league. You offer claims about his mobility, but the stats show that he consistently has a low sack % when under pressure. You criticize his height, but wanted Wilson... 





Because I dont waste my time looking up stats to prove a point to someone, I do not care about changing your opinion, I only care about saying what most fans dont because they are close minded to anything negative about the Saints.And his sack percentage might be low but a good stat for you to look up is what his is interception ratio when he is under pressure

And i wanted Wilson because he runs out the pocket and extends time outside the pocket

If you want some homework, look up the post when I said if Drew could be more mobile and extend time.outside the pocket more consistently, all of this will be solved.


But you did make one good point, saying I am not a Saints fan. Honestly I do not know what I am...I watch every game ofcourse, but recently when they lose a game I dont feel like shite. In the past I couldn't watch ESPN for a week if they lose. Now I dont care, but yet I cheer for them when they play. Its a confusing. ...

With that all said, I will smoke this bowl and leave the saints board for true saints fans and post about how terrible Jimmy is when at one point almost every one wanted his jersey

Peace true saints fans
Posted by KindaRaw
Member since Jun 2014
3963 posts
Posted on 3/10/15 at 11:52 pm to
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Bree's

Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 3/11/15 at 12:14 am to
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Because I dont waste my time looking up stats to prove a point to someone, I do not care about changing your opinion, I only care about saying what most fans dont because they are close minded to anything negative about the Saints.And his sack percentage might be low but a good stat for you to look up is what his is interception ratio when he is under pressure



So you complain that others don't back up their opinion, but you're too lazy to back up your opinion?

Being closed minded is coming to a conclusion without any evidence to back it up and ignoring the evidence that screams in your face.

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And i wanted Wilson because he runs out the pocket and extends time outside the pocket



Something that may blow your mind: Brees ran a lot more than Wilson did coming out of college. He developed into a pocket passer and works well out of it.

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If you want some homework, look up the post when I said if Drew could be more mobile and extend time.outside the pocket more consistently, all of this will be solved.



What will be solved? He completes 70% of his passes despite getting "every" ball batted down at the LOS. He has it solved.

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Honestly I do not know what I am...I watch every game ofcourse, but recently when they lose a game I dont feel like shite. In the past I couldn't watch ESPN for a week if they lose. Now I dont care, but yet I cheer for them when they play. Its a confusing. ...


You're a young, fair weather fan who's clueless. The problem is that you think you're knowledgeable when you don't even know simple facts that you help base your opinion on (like Drew milked the Super Bowl year b/c it was a contract year)

This post was edited on 3/11/15 at 12:16 am
Posted by s_i5
Earth
Member since Jul 2004
2020 posts
Posted on 3/11/15 at 1:39 am to
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While it would probably help the team become more competitive, Drew Brees shouldn't have to restructure his deal. The saints agreed to the contract and were stupid enough to have his contract have a cap hit of 27 million. It's their problem, not his.



Uh because Brees wasn't going to hold out if he didn't get his contract with most of his guaranteed money upfront.

Could extend his contract and structure it where the big cap hits come by the time Brees will probably be done playing or not as effective, and then would be willing to take less or go to another team. But it's not happening.
This post was edited on 3/11/15 at 1:44 am
Posted by DirtyMikeandtheBoys
Member since May 2011
19419 posts
Posted on 3/11/15 at 7:28 am to
You seem to be an uneducated person, and I don't say that in reference to your extreme lack of knowledge of the Saints franchise and our players, but at an academic level. Your posting indicates that you are an uneducated person.

That is all.

ETA: No it's not

This post was edited on 3/11/15 at 7:29 am
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
39094 posts
Posted on 3/11/15 at 9:28 am to
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Honestly I do not know what I am


Dude, I see a burning need for you to take man-lessons. This is not the sort of thing you say. It's like rolling over and showing your exposed underbellie. You just don't do it. You're going to get ravaged. Example:
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Honestly I do not know what I am

Answer: You're a douchebag!
Posted by The Sad Banana
The gate is narrow.
Member since Jul 2008
89498 posts
Posted on 3/11/15 at 9:40 am to
I was listening to the radio this morning and it seems like Drew will restructure his contract, but not this year. It may be more likely to happen next league year.

Also, you have to realize that Drew Brees isn't the GM of the Saints. It's not his job to restructure his contract. From everything I can tell and have read/heard, he wasn't even asked to restructure this year.

I have a hard time imagining him being the kind of player who wouldn't restructure if asked. Furthermore, he's the goddamn face of the team and without him this franchise is shite. You know it, everyone in this thread knows it, and everyone at Saints HQ knows it. So, be smart and direct your frustrations elsewhere.
Posted by TheMadeMan
Member since Jul 2014
331 posts
Posted on 3/11/15 at 9:42 am to
Real leaders do what is best for the team.

Signed,

Tom Brady
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