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Posted on 3/6/15 at 11:39 am to Patrick_Bateman
Posted on 3/6/15 at 11:39 am to Patrick_Bateman
I think what he did with the reboot of Star Trek was good, not to unrealistic and was a good watch. I'm a huge fan of the OT, not so much of the prequel, my expectations though are that I will pay money to watch a movie that in the end I will be entertained and interested in the next installment. New characters will be great, if they somehow tie into characters from OT would be bonus. He made Uhura a hottie so I am hoping he has some "hotness" in Star Wars
Posted on 3/6/15 at 11:39 am to Sgt_Lincoln_Osiris
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Patton Oswalt's Filibuster get's me every time
Posted on 3/6/15 at 12:03 pm to DelU249
quote:I wouldn't go as far as to say he was tricked into being evil. He was pretty much a prick without the Emperor's influence. I could see him slaughtering younglings for calling him a mama's boy.
he's a dumb shite that is tricked into being evil for 3 decades
Posted on 3/6/15 at 12:10 pm to DelU249
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The Empire Strikes Back
Empire is one of the greatest sci-fi movies ever made and one the greatest sequels of all time.
Comparing them to Empire and they are bound to come up short, as most films will.
Empire is an absolutely incredible movie, one of the GOAT.
Posted on 3/6/15 at 12:16 pm to MOJO mod
yeah see that is one of the faults of the new star trek movies
sex appeal that is just fricking so amped up
I don't want that in star wars
sex appeal that is just fricking so amped up
I don't want that in star wars
Posted on 3/6/15 at 12:19 pm to CBandits82
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Empire is one of the greatest sci-fi movies ever made and one the greatest sequels of all time.
Obviously, I'm not going to disagree.
Judging films in the era they're produced is important, but I would put:
Metropolis in the very top tier, along with 2001 on the pre-Star Wars era(maybe Forbidden Planet or The Day the Earth Stood Still sneak in on a good day).
ESB, Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, both sequels and both monumentally great films (and as I always say, a great villain makes for a great movie, ordinarily - want another example? Joker: The Movie) would lead the post-Star Wars era, along with Alien (and its first sequel), The Terminator (and its first sequel).
Sadly, it is the excellence (and profitability) of the first sequel in these franchises that keeps the money men in Hollywood greenlighting terrible sequels and trilogies.
Star Wars - second film the best of the three.
Star Trek - Second film the best of the howevermany
Alien - Second film arguably the best, although the first film is incredible.
And, as I've indicated before - Empire and Khan are 2 of the best films of all time, regardless of genre or status as sequels.
This post was edited on 3/6/15 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 3/6/15 at 12:26 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:directly influenced by the empire strikes back...which is why it's probably the only star trek movie I actually like.
Wrath of Khan
if I'm doing a sci-fi/fantasy Mt Rushmore type list
Empire
Blade Runner
2001
Alien (I prefer aliens I think)
LotR
I don't know if wrath of khan is as excellent as those movies...it comes close, it's definitely iconic too. It has a cool title. It shouldn't have been star trek 2: the wrath of khan. It should have just been "the wrath of khan"
I fricking hate how "the empire strikes back" was changed retroactively to "star wars episode v: the empire strikes back" may George lucas rot in hell for trying to change the greatest movie title ever
This post was edited on 3/6/15 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 3/6/15 at 12:32 pm to DelU249
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don't know if wrath of khan is as excellent as those movies...it comes close, it's definitely iconic too.
Of course it is - and Bladerunner is my favorite film (and some days Ghostbusters is second, others Patton and yet even others TWOK is).
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directly influenced by the empire strikes back
And lets just get the dirty little secret out there - without Star Trek, and its overwhelming popularity during syndication in the early 70s, there is no Star Wars - or at least not nearly the phenomenon it became. That's not even reasonably in dispute.
Now, Star Trek: The Original Series, itself, stands on the shoulders of giants - Forbidden Planet, the groundbreaking The Outer Limits, to a lesser degree things like The Twilight Zone, but all modern science fiction film and television can draw a direct line back to Star Trek - including Star Wars.
There, I said it.
Posted on 3/6/15 at 12:32 pm to King George
quote:yes he is
say he was tricked into being evil
he convinces him the jedi are really the bad guys, and that he has the answer for saving Natalie portman...turns out he doesn't have the answer, but hey Anakin there's still time, now go murder a shite load of children for me because the jedi are evil
in empire he's so strong and meticulous. he just knows what he's doing, he knows he's evil.
then in the prequels he's this fricking annoying douche who complains all of the time and has the IQ of a baby rattle
Posted on 3/6/15 at 12:34 pm to DelU249
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he convinces him the jedi are really the bad guys, and that he has the answer for saving Natalie portman...turns out he doesn't have the answer, but hey Anakin there's still time, now go murder a shite load of children for me because the jedi are evil
Brah, you're better off on #TeamAce
I just pretend that didn't happen and enjoy Empire again.
Posted on 3/6/15 at 12:36 pm to Ace Midnight
don't be mistaken, I fricking love the wrath of khan. it's a great film.
every movie should be directly influenced by empire
it's a strange dichotomy. two ends of the spectrum in the genre. I like star trek nerds, but the people who get nerdy about star wars kind of fricking piss me off. There's nothing to be nerdy about.
quote:I agree, I don't think being directly influenced by the empire strikes back is a bad thing
lets just get the dirty little secret out there - without Star Trek, and its overwhelming popularity during syndication in the early 70s, there is no Star Wars - or at least not nearly the phenomenon it became. That's not even reasonably in dispute.
every movie should be directly influenced by empire
it's a strange dichotomy. two ends of the spectrum in the genre. I like star trek nerds, but the people who get nerdy about star wars kind of fricking piss me off. There's nothing to be nerdy about.
Posted on 3/6/15 at 12:37 pm to Ace Midnight
oh yeah, I'm already on team ace
the prequels are a comedy. a funny spoof of star wars. I still imagine when watching the OT, what it was all like back then. that's how terrible the prequels are
the prequels are a comedy. a funny spoof of star wars. I still imagine when watching the OT, what it was all like back then. that's how terrible the prequels are
Posted on 3/6/15 at 12:40 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:it's the only movie I can watch over and over again and still come away impressed every single time
enjoy Empire again
last night I was in awe of how vader turns up the heat on luke, he's still toying with him and luke is just getting pelted and realizes that yoda was right and that he's super fricked. Gone is the "you'll find out I'm full of surprises"
it's just such a fricking great scene in addition to being an awesome duel.
then luke tries to kill himself
and as far as ignoring the prequels...easy as pie
it's return of the jedi that I struggle with
Posted on 3/6/15 at 12:41 pm to DelU249
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I have serious doubt's about Abrams ability to create/bring to life an iconic villain
Tend to disagree here. I thought Khan was an excellent villain in the second(new)star trek film. I like JJ's vision artistically, and being able, most times than not, to tell a good story. For at worst, entertainment purposes. I stopped watching Star Trek after maybe the 4th feature film. I have always been a Star Wars guy, but I had nothing against Star Trek. As most purists think the new Trek was awful, I thought JJ did a great job rejuvenating the franchise. I have read that JJ is a huge SW fan, and I think this film will build on something great. I have high hopes for it, but im not gonna piss and moan if he misses on it either. We'll always have the original trilogy to fall back on. With that said, I believe the new one will be at worst, very entertaining and WAY better than the prequels.
This post was edited on 3/6/15 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 3/6/15 at 12:42 pm to Tommy Wayne
quote:had lucas not fricked up jedi so badly, I wouldn't even care about new movies...I'd be against them even making new star wars movies.
We'll always have the original trilogy to fall back on.
Posted on 3/6/15 at 12:44 pm to Tommy Wayne
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We'll always have the original trilogy to fall back on.
Care to tell me where I can get the blu rays?
Posted on 3/6/15 at 12:45 pm to DelU249
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I like star trek nerds, but the people who get nerdy about star wars kind of fricking piss me off. There's nothing to be nerdy about.
Yeah, Star Wars is all about style and being "cool" (Han, Lando, Boba Fett, even Vader and Chewy to a degree) - while Star Trek is science heavy - of course that's understandable - Star Wars is ultimately about being cool during a massive civil war, while Star Trek was kind of a futuristoc view of manned space exploration, from the perspective of people who were trying, but had not landed on the moon, yet.
So, what you say makes perfect sense. Luke is the only "nerd" on Star Wars. The rest are archetypes right out of the western genre, cowboys if you will (which is why, although much closer to Star Trek's structure, Firefly was Star Wars reborn, with Han in charge), if you don't count the droids.
Kirk was the only semi-cool cat on the NCC 1701, the rest were all science and engineering nerds, like astronauts were typically viewed.
This post was edited on 3/6/15 at 12:52 pm
Posted on 3/6/15 at 12:47 pm to Green Chili Tiger
quote:on amazon.com
Care to tell me where I can get the blu rays?
I'm sorry you saw a half completed film and fell in love with it
god I hate that motherfricker
Posted on 3/6/15 at 12:48 pm to DelU249
just above the Ghost Busters reboot.
Posted on 3/6/15 at 12:49 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:we were discussing this last night.
The rest are archtypes right out of the western genre
My wife noticed that han is the only character who open carries in cloud city and that his holster is "on his leg like rick on the walking dead"
part of what makes empire so great is that they go from archetypes to fleshed out characters. the performances in the movie are incredible and not just the principal cast
james earl jones gives the voice to match the body language of david prowse (who is excellent, kind of the first andy serkis type performance)
Frank Oz gives a muppet voice that goes way beyond that, and the movement and look of yoda...does anyone prefer cgi yoda? puppet yoda is pure awesomeness.
my coworkers laughed when they were talking about what terrible movies I liked, they asked me what I think is the best movie ever made and I said either citizen kane or the empire strikes back but empire is my favorite...they fricking laughed like that was absurd
This post was edited on 3/6/15 at 12:54 pm
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