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re: Explain why drugs and prostitution should be illegal
Posted on 3/6/15 at 7:59 am to GreatLakesTiger24
Posted on 3/6/15 at 7:59 am to GreatLakesTiger24
oh does it?
What's the ratio if you don't mind me asking
deaths/user
not total deaths
What's the ratio if you don't mind me asking
deaths/user
not total deaths
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Posted on 3/6/15 at 8:00 am to GreatLakesTiger24
Listening to the Adam Carolla show the other day he had some guy on that was talking about decriminalizing drugs. He said that there had been studies done on rats.
First study would put a rat in a basic cage with a regular water bottle and one laced with heroin. The rat would go to the one with heroin all the time.
The second study was the same thing but instead of an empty cage it was a rat paradise with all kinds of stuff for the rat to do. The rat chose to drink the regular water over the heroin laced.
Portugal decriminalized drugs years ago based on some of these studies and focused on spending money on treatment instead of prisons. The Drug abuse in that country has dropped by half. Definitely something to think about.
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First study would put a rat in a basic cage with a regular water bottle and one laced with heroin. The rat would go to the one with heroin all the time.
The second study was the same thing but instead of an empty cage it was a rat paradise with all kinds of stuff for the rat to do. The rat chose to drink the regular water over the heroin laced.
Portugal decriminalized drugs years ago based on some of these studies and focused on spending money on treatment instead of prisons. The Drug abuse in that country has dropped by half. Definitely something to think about.
LINK
Posted on 3/6/15 at 8:05 am to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
plenty of losers with weak genetics get hooked on alcohol everyday.
the deaths/user is only lower because it's legal.
if cocaine, MDMA, etc. where legalized, they would have a similar ratio.
the deaths/user is only lower because it's legal.
if cocaine, MDMA, etc. where legalized, they would have a similar ratio.
Posted on 3/6/15 at 8:06 am to GreatLakesTiger24
quote:
if cocaine, MDMA, etc. where legalized, they would have a similar ratio
objection, defenses claim is purely speculative
Posted on 3/6/15 at 8:16 am to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
So is your assertion that alcohol has a lower death/user ratio.
And I don't think using death alone is very good criteria.
And I don't think using death alone is very good criteria.
Posted on 3/6/15 at 8:25 am to GreatLakesTiger24
I didn't make an assertion, I made an assumption. And my assumption could be proven or disproven by data that has likely already been published, but I'm too lazy to look for it.
On the other hand, your assertion can not possibly be proven or disproven, only speculated on, therefore it is completely speculative and inadmissible.
On the other hand, your assertion can not possibly be proven or disproven, only speculated on, therefore it is completely speculative and inadmissible.
This post was edited on 3/6/15 at 8:26 am
Posted on 3/6/15 at 8:31 am to magildachunks
Of what concern to the government is a consentual transaction between two legal adults? As long as it's taxed, why does it matter whether people engage in that activity or not? Is public health the concern? Making something legal and regulating it can help to maintain safety much more effectively than forcing it into the black market where there is no safety enforcement.
The better question would be why is it illegal?
The better question would be why is it illegal?
Posted on 3/6/15 at 8:36 am to heatom2
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Legalizing drugs would make them easier to get. Drug crime would go down substantially.
Hard drugs debilitate a users ability to function normally in every day life. This makes holding down steady employment or high paying employment difficult. The logic that making them legal would make them easier to get thus reducing crime is wrong. A poor addict is still going to commit crime because they will have to supplement their little to no income with some form of activity that will provide them with money. I haven't seen anyone making a go at money tree farming lately so I'm going to say that crime is how they would continue to supplement income whether drugs are legal or not.
Posted on 3/6/15 at 8:39 am to Kingwood Tiger
quote:
Listening to the Adam Carolla show the other day he had some guy on that was talking about decriminalizing drugs. He said that there had been studies done on rats.
First study would put a rat in a basic cage with a regular water bottle and one laced with heroin. The rat would go to the one with heroin all the time.
The second study was the same thing but instead of an empty cage it was a rat paradise with all kinds of stuff for the rat to do. The rat chose to drink the regular water over the heroin laced.
That guy was on Bill Maher's show a few weeks back.
Posted on 3/6/15 at 8:43 am to MoreLandshark
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quote:
Because the people who profit from it being illegal have no motivation to change it.
And because of that they are polically powerful.
You can make bank from investing in the Prisons industrial complex and sexual slavery (which is what most prostitutes are, they aren't the happy hooker like pretty woman's Julia Roberts).
Hit the nail on the head. Organized crime definitely doesn't want drugs legalized. Would destroy their business
This
Posted on 3/6/15 at 8:45 am to Cdawg
What else was the rat doing? Having drinks poolside?
Tell me more ab this "rat paradise"
Tell me more ab this "rat paradise"
Posted on 3/6/15 at 8:54 am to USMCTiger03
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But still committing crimes because they're addicts.
Well, the "crimes" they are currently committing (smoking pot/other drugs) wouldn't be illegal anymore, so they wouldn't be going to jail to learn up.
quote:
Did you seriously say "awful logic"?
I did tell that guy he had awful logic, yes.
Posted on 3/6/15 at 9:02 am to magildachunks
I'm pro MJ legalization, but the broader issue isn't as black and white as most of the responses in this thread will say it is.
Most societies have, all on their own, decided to limit personal freedom in some ways. If you converted the entire world to strict libertarianism tomorrow, eventually limits on personal freedom would creep in as people collectively tried to improve the experience of living in their communities, make it safer for their kids, etc.
It's not wrong for a group of people to form a community and then create rules for that community that they believe will make it a better place to live. "Collectively" is not a dirty word.
Most societies have, all on their own, decided to limit personal freedom in some ways. If you converted the entire world to strict libertarianism tomorrow, eventually limits on personal freedom would creep in as people collectively tried to improve the experience of living in their communities, make it safer for their kids, etc.
It's not wrong for a group of people to form a community and then create rules for that community that they believe will make it a better place to live. "Collectively" is not a dirty word.
Posted on 3/6/15 at 9:05 am to uway
I've got hip flexor tendinitis with soreness that extends deep into the groin sometimes and get massages regularly. For these services I pay $60 per hour plus gratuity.
There has been "incidental contact" before and sometimes I've held held the stuff to one side so she can "get in there". She'll also expose one complete butt cheek when massaging that side for my glutes.
Now, all of this is perfectly legal, but if is my kinda thing and I'm into that pain and I "finish", does it become illegal?
There has been "incidental contact" before and sometimes I've held held the stuff to one side so she can "get in there". She'll also expose one complete butt cheek when massaging that side for my glutes.
Now, all of this is perfectly legal, but if is my kinda thing and I'm into that pain and I "finish", does it become illegal?
This post was edited on 3/6/15 at 9:06 am
Posted on 3/6/15 at 9:06 am to kingbob
quote:
The better question would be why is it illegal?
Because most societies have of their own volition wanted it to be illegal and marginalized. As has ours. That's changing now as we become a more libertine society (at least in belief if not always in action) and as more and more people delay child-bearing.
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Of what concern to the government is a consentual transaction between two legal adults? As long as it's taxed, why does it matter whether people engage in that activity or not? Is public health the concern? Making something legal and regulating it can help to maintain safety much more effectively than forcing it into the black market where there is no safety enforcement.
To repeat, prostitution being illegal is not a government invention. The laws are on the books because people wanted them to be.
Posted on 3/6/15 at 9:09 am to LSUfan4444
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There has been "incidental contact" before and sometimes I've held held the stuff to one side so she can "get in there". She'll also expose one complete butt cheek when massaging that side for my glutes.
You're going to jail.
Posted on 3/6/15 at 9:23 am to heatom2
quote:Not to mention taking cash away from criminal enterprises, both here and abroad, thus reallocating a lot of it into the tax base. Maybe a bit shortsided but I see a lot of this as being the case.
Legalizing drugs would make them easier to get. Drug crime would go down substantially
This post was edited on 3/6/15 at 9:24 am
Posted on 3/6/15 at 9:37 am to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
quote:u rite, my apologies
I didn't make an assertion, I made an assumption.
quote:i'm not so sure, and without any comparisons (to other drugs) it would be pretty worthless even if it could be proven.
And my assumption could be proven or disproven by data that has likely already been published,
Posted on 3/6/15 at 9:50 am to uway
The government shouldn't tell adults what they can and can't do if it doesn't harm anyone else. It is difficult for me to support this concept in the case of methamphetamine. I'm a hypocrite.
Prostitution should be legal.
Prostitution should be legal.
Posted on 3/6/15 at 9:55 am to uway
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To repeat, prostitution being illegal is not a government invention. The laws are on the books because people wanted them to be
Well if the people don't want prostitution, then that would indicate that there is no market for it. A product or service can only exist so long as there is demand to support it. If those people need a law to "protect" them from prostitution, then it means that there actually is a demand for that service, but the majority in that community view that demand as abhorrent, when it is none of their business. What two consenting adults do behind closed doors should only ever be the concern of the two adults engaging in the action/transaction.
Does prostitution cause pollution that damages the public health? No.
Does prostitution violate the property rights of citizens? Possibly, but only if prostitutes or Johns are already committing the crimes of loitering and trespassing.
Where is the necessity?
If you don't like something that has no effect on your life, DON'T DO IT!
If you hate a TV show, stop watching!
If you really hate it, boycott its sponsors.
If you don't like a product or service, don't purchase it.
It's just that f*&king simple, people.
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