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Eric Holder slams Ferguson police force: ‘Collection agency’
Posted on 3/5/15 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 3/5/15 at 2:21 pm
[quote]“Local authorities consistently approached law enforcement not as a means for protecting public safety, but as a way of generating revenue,” Holder said, adding that “racial bias both implicit and explicit” results in the unconstitutional execution of the law. Read more: LINK ]
I can think of at least 12 cities/towns in LA that have a police force almost solely to generate revenue. Some of them will even reduce your speeding ticket to a non moving violation if you pay them a couple extra bucks. I basically never agree with Holder but I would love it if they would investigate all police forces in the country.
I can think of at least 12 cities/towns in LA that have a police force almost solely to generate revenue. Some of them will even reduce your speeding ticket to a non moving violation if you pay them a couple extra bucks. I basically never agree with Holder but I would love it if they would investigate all police forces in the country.
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Posted on 3/5/15 at 2:22 pm to Tigerstudent08
EFF Eric Holder POS
Posted on 3/5/15 at 2:24 pm to Tigerstudent08
I thought this guy got fired?
Posted on 3/5/15 at 2:25 pm to Tigerstudent08
Who
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Posted on 3/5/15 at 2:25 pm to Tigerstudent08
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I can think of at least 12 cities/towns in LA that have a police force almost solely to generate revenue. Some of them will even reduce your speeding ticket to a non moving violation if you pay them a couple extra bucks. I basically never agree with Holder but I would love it if they would investigate all police forces in the country.
Unless there is some legitimate civil rights issue going on, the DOJ and federal government should have no say in what goes on in local law enforcement.
That doesn't mean that "collection agency" police forces are good. It just means that identifying something that is bad doesn't mean that the only solution is federal involvement.
You need to think past your nose.
Posted on 3/5/15 at 2:27 pm to Tigerstudent08
I fricking love Eric Holder. Would make an excellent president.
Posted on 3/5/15 at 2:27 pm to Tigerstudent08
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“Local authorities consistently approached law enforcement not as a means for protecting public safety, but as a way of generating revenue,”
He's correct here. To their defense, some towns wouldn't have law enforcement at all, if they couldn't pay for it like this, but "To collect and serve" is no bullshite.
However, this doesn't make sense in his grander racial bias message - let me ask you this? To whom would you rather write tickets? Hood rats with expired inspection stickers, bald tires, rusted out exhaust, toothless rednecks with unnecessarily jacked up trucks, illegal tinting and truck nuts, or suburban mom, hauling arse, way to fast to be going into and out of school zones in her high performance SUV?
Yeah, it's more likely the soccer mom has suction with the authorities, but they'll drop it to a non-moving and collect something. The bubbas may pay - maybe not. Depends on if that roll bar and brush guard are paid for yet.
But, the brothers pushing nothing but bass? "frick a ticket man. Let 'em issue a bench warrant and then I'll think about paying it."
This post was edited on 3/5/15 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 3/5/15 at 2:29 pm to Tigerstudent08
I never would have thought that I would have agreed with Eric Holder on anything but I've been saying the same thing for years. To the average law abiding citizen the cops are nothing but an extension of the IRS. I guarantee, as I am sitting here right now, a cop could find at least 2-3 laws being broken by me.
Posted on 3/5/15 at 2:32 pm to Ace Midnight
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However, this doesn't make sense in his grander racial bias message - let me ask you this? To whom would you rather write tickets? Hood rats with expired inspection stickers, bald tires, rusted out exhaust, toothless rednecks with unnecessarily jacked up trucks, illegal tinting and truck nuts, or suburban mom, hauling arse, way to fast to be going into and out of school zones in her high performance SUV?
The evidence would point to the contrary:
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Our investigation has found overwhelming evidence of minor municipal code violations resulting in multiple arrests, jail time, and payments that exceed the cost of the original ticket many times over. One woman, discussed above, received two parking tickets for a single violation in 2007 that then totaled $151 plus fees. Over seven years later, she still owed Ferguson $541—after already paying $550 in fines and fees, having multiple arrest warrants issued against her, and being arrested and jailed on several occasions.
I think they'd rather have people they can bleed dry like a credit card company instead of someone just paying the smaller amount once.
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Posted on 3/5/15 at 2:32 pm to biglego
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Posted on 3/5/15 at 2:35 pm to Tigerstudent08
You guys applauding this report need to really read it.
This is part of a new idea that Holder's DoJ thought up called "disparate impact". The theory behind disparate impact is that what you are doing doesn't have to be wrong, you don't have to have any prejudice or bias in doing it and it can even be done for the public good BUT if the practice disproportionately effects a protected minority - you can't do it anymore.
For instance, if you have set out to stop and ticket all vehicle with no brake lights - because that shite is dangerous and illegl - and end up only writing tickets to a certain minority... Well you can't do that anymore. Doesn't matter that you wrote them all at night and never saw the driver until you got to the window of his car, doesn't matter that you wrote the tickets in every part of town equally, none of it matters. It is now a banned practice because it has a disparate impact.
Theoretically, this concept could be applied to murder arrests. Then where would we be? Proven bias or policing for revenue is bad but the DoJ is way WAY overreaching with this report.
This is part of a new idea that Holder's DoJ thought up called "disparate impact". The theory behind disparate impact is that what you are doing doesn't have to be wrong, you don't have to have any prejudice or bias in doing it and it can even be done for the public good BUT if the practice disproportionately effects a protected minority - you can't do it anymore.
For instance, if you have set out to stop and ticket all vehicle with no brake lights - because that shite is dangerous and illegl - and end up only writing tickets to a certain minority... Well you can't do that anymore. Doesn't matter that you wrote them all at night and never saw the driver until you got to the window of his car, doesn't matter that you wrote the tickets in every part of town equally, none of it matters. It is now a banned practice because it has a disparate impact.
Theoretically, this concept could be applied to murder arrests. Then where would we be? Proven bias or policing for revenue is bad but the DoJ is way WAY overreaching with this report.
Posted on 3/5/15 at 2:35 pm to Placebeaux
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To the average law abiding citizen the cops are nothing but an extension of the IRS.
Nope....
This post was edited on 3/5/15 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 3/5/15 at 2:37 pm to Tigerstudent08
Probably the case with >75% of the small departments similar to it.
Posted on 3/5/15 at 2:39 pm to Big Scrub TX
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I think they'd rather have people they can bleed dry like a credit card company instead of someone just paying the smaller amount once.
Maybe so.
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One woman, discussed above, received two parking tickets for a single violation in 2007 that then totaled $151 plus fees. Over seven years later, she still owed Ferguson $541—after already paying $550 in fines and fees, having multiple arrest warrants issued against her, and being arrested and jailed on several occasions.
So, that begs the question - if she had paid the $151, would she have had all that other trouble?
(Because, if yes - that's bullshite. If no, that's not racial. Nobody is claiming she didn't park illegally.)
Posted on 3/5/15 at 2:50 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Big Scrub TX
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Our investigation has found overwhelming evidence of minor municipal code violations resulting in multiple arrests, jail time, and payments that exceed the cost of the original ticket many times over. One woman, discussed above, received two parking tickets for a single violation in 2007 that then totaled $151 plus fees. Over seven years later, she still owed Ferguson $541—after already paying $550 in fines and fees, having multiple arrest warrants issued against her, and being arrested and jailed on several occasions.
If your solution is to not write her the initial ticket, than you had damn well better stop writing tickets to me also. I pay nmy tickets because I have something to lose. This woman didn't pay hers, because she has been trained in life not to pay her bills.
Posted on 3/5/15 at 2:52 pm to Tigerstudent08
I support anyone's efforts to expose corrupt LE anywhere. I disagree with his efforts more often than not but fully support him exposing this department even knowing it was agenda driven.
Posted on 3/5/15 at 2:52 pm to Tigerstudent08
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cities/towns in LA that have a police force almost solely to generate revenue.
fricking Georgetown on 165
Posted on 3/5/15 at 2:53 pm to LSUTil_iDie
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fricking Georgetown on 165
Port Barre, Washington
Posted on 3/5/15 at 2:53 pm to Tigerstudent08
Eric Holder dr
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