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re: Is CP3 actually underrated now?
Posted on 3/6/15 at 2:06 pm to shel311
Posted on 3/6/15 at 2:06 pm to shel311
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When folks start saying they'd take Tony Parker(who i think it's great fwiw) over Paul, that's when I get eternally frustrated, because that's just ridiculous.
This.
Remember when the debate was always between Paul and D Will? I used to hate that fricker. He fell off hard though...injuries and shite.
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Posted on 3/6/15 at 2:08 pm to whoknows1390
So look at it this way, I think most logical/rational NBA guys would say that Paul is better than Parker.
Soooo...how important are rings compared to never getting past the 2nd round?
Soooo...how important are rings compared to never getting past the 2nd round?
Posted on 3/6/15 at 2:13 pm to shel311
Let's say Mcgrady teamed up with Shaq and won a bunch of titles and Kobe went to Orlando, China, etc and never made it out of the first round until he was a bench player. Who would be considered the better player?
Posted on 3/6/15 at 2:15 pm to shel311
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Soooo...how important are rings compared to never getting past the 2nd round?
CP3 is just sort of running out of excuses to why they've never made it past the 2nd round.
- Was it the supporting cast in New Orleans? Gets to play alongside a ASG starter in Blake, borderline AS guy in DJ, and the man they should name the 6th man of the year award after
- Maybe it was the coach then? Vinny Del Negro is considered sort of a laughing stock to most NBA fans, so they bring in Doc Rivers
They've only had one shot at it with Doc so far, so I am willing to patient though.
Posted on 3/6/15 at 2:15 pm to shel311
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So look at it this way, I think most logical/rational NBA guys would say that Paul is better than Parker.
Soooo...how important are rings compared to never getting past the 2nd round?
I'd agree with that now. Parker has had a bad season and isn't as good as he used to be. But Parker has had a better career.
Posted on 3/6/15 at 2:18 pm to shel311
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Soooo...how important are rings compared to never getting past the 2nd round?
Everyone has a different philosophy I suppose. I'd take Paul without a 2nd thought.
He made the hornets/lakers 1st round match up last 6 games with no David West. that team had no business hanging around with the Lakers that year.
Posted on 3/6/15 at 2:20 pm to Boomshockalocka
quote:Who'd be considered better in general, or who would I consider better?
Let's say Mcgrady teamed up with Shaq and won a bunch of titles and Kobe went to Orlando, China, etc and never made it out of the first round until he was a bench player. Who would be considered the better player?
Your hypothetical basically proves my point fwiw. In both of those scenarios, Kobe and McGrady are exactly the same player, they're no better or worse as an actual basketball player, wouldn't you agree?
Posted on 3/6/15 at 2:23 pm to Ostrich
quote:There's zero evidence you'll find that Parker is a better individual basketball player than Chris Paul.
Parker has had a bad season and isn't as good as he used to be. But Parker has had a better career.
None. It would be silly to even try.
Posted on 3/6/15 at 2:24 pm to shel311
NO because the guy who won the championships likely would've had that career defining moment on the biggest stage that the other player didn't have. Or maybe a Finals MVP.
Posted on 3/6/15 at 2:25 pm to Boomshockalocka
quote:And yet he's still the same exact basketball player he was whether he did it or not.
because the guy who won the championships likely would've had that career defining moment on the biggest stage that the other player didn't have. Or maybe a Finals MVP
I'm not sure what we're saying, i'm not sure if you're arguing that McGrady would have magically been a better basketball player and Kobe would have magically been not as good?
This post was edited on 3/6/15 at 2:29 pm
Posted on 3/6/15 at 2:29 pm to shel311
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And yet he's still the same exact basketball player he was whether he did it or not.
No he's not
that's ridiculous. Performances on the biggest stages carry more weight than performances in the regular season. Wouldn't you agree that the level of play is elevated in the playoffs?
Posted on 3/6/15 at 2:30 pm to shel311
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There's zero evidence you'll find that Parker is a better individual basketball player than Chris Paul.
None. It would be silly to even try.
Parker has won a Finals MVP and been the best player on two title teams (2007 & 2014). That's something Paul will likely never accomplish.
Posted on 3/6/15 at 2:31 pm to Boomshockalocka
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No he's not that's ridiculous. Performances on the biggest stages carry more weight than performances in the regular season.
Bingo
Posted on 3/6/15 at 2:31 pm to Boomshockalocka
quote:Of course.
Wouldn't you agree that the level of play is elevated in the playoffs?
But it's funny to think that whether or not blind luck lets you play with Shaq or not that changes anything whatsoever. Not getting the chance to play on that level, through no fault of your own, doesn't mean you can't play at that level.
I'm not even gonna argue it any more, it's just silly.
Posted on 3/6/15 at 2:33 pm to Ostrich
quote:And? Pauls is by far better.
Parker has won a Finals MVP and been the best player on two title teams (2007 & 2014). That's something Paul will likely never accomplish
Chauncey Billups also has an NBA Finals MVP, is he better than Paul...or Barkley...or Malone on the all time list?
Posted on 3/6/15 at 2:37 pm to shel311
So you think we can just look at a player's PER and that's how they should be ranked all time? What else matters if playoff performance doesn't?
This may be a good time to remind you that PER is not as good predictor of wins as a state like win shares.
This may be a good time to remind you that PER is not as good predictor of wins as a state like win shares.
Posted on 3/6/15 at 2:37 pm to shel311
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And? Pauls is by far better.
In what way? Paul has accomplished nothing of significance in his career. His teams have been good enough for the last several years to make a run in the playoffs but they haven't. Why is that? Some players are regular season stars and can't do anything in the playoffs. That's what Paul is until proven otherwise.
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Chauncey Billups also has an NBA Finals MVP, is he better than Paul...or Barkley...or Malone on the all time list?
Someone had to win it on that Pistons team, there were no stars on that team unlike most years.
This post was edited on 3/6/15 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 3/6/15 at 2:41 pm to Ostrich
quote:As a point guard.
In what way?
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Paul has accomplished nothing of significance in his career
quote:Psssttt, check his postseason stats before saying ridiculous things like this, just a thought. Paul is betterin the postseason than Tony Parker ever was, by a mile.
His teams have been good enough for the last several years to make a run in the playoffs but they haven't. Why is that? Some players are regular season stars and can't do anything in the playoffs
Posted on 3/6/15 at 2:44 pm to Ostrich
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Some players are regular season stars and can't do anything in the playoffs
2008 playoffs: 24/11/5 with 3 steals, 50% shooting
2010 playoffs: 22/12/7 on 55% shooting
2013 playoffs: 23/6/4 on 54% shooting
2014 playoffs: 20/10/4 with 3 steals on 47% shooting
Nailed it!!!
Posted on 3/6/15 at 2:48 pm to shel311
Seriously, instead of laughing, explain what Paul has done that is significant. He's great in the regular season, so what?
The hardware that the two players have says differently and I bet CP would trade if he could.
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Psssttt, check his postseason stats before saying ridiculous things like this, just a thought. Paul is betterin the postseason than Tony Parker ever was, by a mile.
The hardware that the two players have says differently and I bet CP would trade if he could.
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