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re: Bill Simmons NBA Prediction
Posted on 3/4/15 at 2:03 pm to Jcorye1
Posted on 3/4/15 at 2:03 pm to Jcorye1
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The average NFL team also has up to 4 times as many players at any given point in time.
The also don't have guaranteed contracts like NBA players.
Of all the players in sports, NBA players have the least to bitch about when it comes to money, but do the most bitching. Their players make more money than all other sports. Their players make more endorsement money on the side than any other sports as well, outside of the top 3 tennis and golf players. And they have guaranteed fricking contracts.
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Posted on 3/4/15 at 2:06 pm to Chaplain
Simmons is an overcaffeinated idiot
Posted on 3/4/15 at 2:10 pm to TeddyPadillac
I don't know what we're arguing anymore, so I'm just gonna throw in the towel 
Posted on 3/4/15 at 2:36 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Of all the players in sports, NBA players have the least to bitch about when it comes to money, but do the most bitching. Their players make more money than all other sports.
Exclusivity.
The salary cap is an evil on its own, but the max player contracts are even worse. If you did away with max contracts, but kept the salary cap, Deadspin calculated that LeBron would be worth $44.8 million per year, yet he was only paid $19.1. I'd say he and other top players have a right to bitch.
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Posted on 3/4/15 at 2:48 pm to Chaplain
While it'd be pretty badass if they pulled it off, there's no way they could.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 2:50 pm to Chaplain
Lol
Posted on 3/4/15 at 2:55 pm to Chaplain
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My 1 prediction: down road, LBJ/CP/KD/other future FA's will seriously investigate economics of launching own league. As negotiating tactic.
a tactic
not a plan, a tactic
Posted on 3/4/15 at 3:03 pm to Tayday
quote:no one in their right mind thinks those 3 guys make what they're worth from the nba.
Because they're not making what they think they should?
Posted on 3/4/15 at 3:08 pm to supatigah
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My 1 prediction: down road, LBJ/CP/KD/other future FA's will seriously investigate economics of launching own league. As negotiating tactic.
The fans are already screwed if that crazy bitch is still representing the NBAPA in negotiations.
This is just an asinine idea by Simmons. This is supposed to be leverage somehow? Threatening something they have no chance at being successful at?
Posted on 3/4/15 at 3:24 pm to slackster
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Deadspin calculated that LeBron would be worth $44.8 million per year, yet he was only paid $19.1. I'd say he and other top players have a right to bitch.
If you kept the salary cap and paid one player $45 million, you'd be a mediocre team b/c you'd have no role players worth a shite.
Lebron probably made over $70million last year. You want to name the players in the world that made more than him last year?
Floyd Mayweather and Christiano Ronaldo
Only Michael Jordan competes with him in endorsements, outside of Woods/Mickelson/Federer/Nadal
You can't go making changes b/c of a once in a lifetime player thinks he should make more money on his salary. Maybe he should, but his team would suck. And if he's worth $45 million, then good role players won't make $6-8 million anymore, and will be more like 2 million.
Guys like Lebron and Durant making $40 million/yr isn't good for the NBA as a whole. I would think they aren't too dumb or selfish enough to realize that. It would also be impossible to have a team of Lebron and Kyrie, or Durant and Westbrook if this was the case. There would be one good player on every team making an arse load of money, and a bunch of disgruntled role players.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 3:42 pm to supatigah
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not a plan, a tactic
In order for it to be a negotiating tactic, there actually has to be a viable plan in place.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 3:50 pm to Jcorye1
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I'd love to see where you are getting those numbers, most of the NFL teams are privately held and don't release their numbers at all.
He said just off of TV which is easily to figure out because whenever a network gets an NFL deal they release the numbers.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 4:15 pm to supatigah
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a tactic
not a plan, a tactic
That's even more stupid. And the "plan" to launch their own league was pretty dumb in the first place.
On the flip side, Simmons is in the "throw crazy shite at the wall and proclaim myself to be a prescient genius if any of it actually sticks" phase so I highly doubt that this idea is actually on anybody's radar.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 4:40 pm to slackster
my take on Kobe's contract... he's making now what he rightfully earned 10 years ago...
Posted on 3/4/15 at 5:07 pm to chalmetteowl
Well generally in sports you are paid for what you have done, not what people think you will do. It's why some MLB guys stay stuck in rookie contracts too long, and why you hear the term 'rewarding' a player with a contract used a bit.
That said, a new league won't work without serious brains and money, more than what these players and their agents have to offer. Sponsorships, arena deals, general branding, will have to compete head to head with the NBA, and that won't work.
Let's say they do get a new league going, where do the players come from? The product is watered down a bit (see Eastern Conference), and the DLeague quality players aren't enough to form a new league. And they may leverage some great players to cross (contract issues aside), but what about lower tier guys?
Other obvious issues: willing owners and player-owner relationships severed in one league.
That said, a new league won't work without serious brains and money, more than what these players and their agents have to offer. Sponsorships, arena deals, general branding, will have to compete head to head with the NBA, and that won't work.
Let's say they do get a new league going, where do the players come from? The product is watered down a bit (see Eastern Conference), and the DLeague quality players aren't enough to form a new league. And they may leverage some great players to cross (contract issues aside), but what about lower tier guys?
Other obvious issues: willing owners and player-owner relationships severed in one league.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 6:04 pm to TeddyPadillac
The NBA is also the only league that is entirely superstar driven. The Stars own this league. No one would watch NBA without the lebrons/kobes/Durants/etc..
These guys make HUGE impact on their local economy's that no other sport can compare to.
shite, it's estimated that Lebron coming back to Cleveland has boosted their economy by almost 300 million dollars. Not everyone deserves huge pay raises but the superstars do.
I couldn't even imagine how much economy KD and Westbrook bring to Oklahoma city. Without those 2 that team and city are nothing.
These guys make HUGE impact on their local economy's that no other sport can compare to.
shite, it's estimated that Lebron coming back to Cleveland has boosted their economy by almost 300 million dollars. Not everyone deserves huge pay raises but the superstars do.
I couldn't even imagine how much economy KD and Westbrook bring to Oklahoma city. Without those 2 that team and city are nothing.
This post was edited on 3/4/15 at 6:05 pm
Posted on 3/4/15 at 7:27 pm to Dr. Shultz
Seems to me this is an easy fix. Allow each team to have one player that doesn't count against the cap. There will never be 30 players in the league that deserve the type of money that wouldn't need to be capped. So....if you're Cleveland, you pay whatever LeBron wants to bring him back. Then you have a salary cap of 60 mil or whatever to fill out the rest of your roster.
I also like the idea of slotted salary. You give each team pay categories they have to fit their players into. 1 uncapped. 1 18 million per year. 1 15 mil, and so on. Example
Uncapped- LeBron
18- Kyrie
15-Love
10-Andi
7.5-
5-
5-
5-
3-
3-
then fill out with vet minimums
It would create interesting contracts where maybe you rotate your 18 and 15 guys to keep both happy if building a super team, of if you know you have an expiring 18 mil guy, you bring someone in at 5 and guarantee them the 18 slot the next few years.
I also like the idea of slotted salary. You give each team pay categories they have to fit their players into. 1 uncapped. 1 18 million per year. 1 15 mil, and so on. Example
Uncapped- LeBron
18- Kyrie
15-Love
10-Andi
7.5-
5-
5-
5-
3-
3-
then fill out with vet minimums
It would create interesting contracts where maybe you rotate your 18 and 15 guys to keep both happy if building a super team, of if you know you have an expiring 18 mil guy, you bring someone in at 5 and guarantee them the 18 slot the next few years.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 7:50 pm to Chaplain
Didn't baseball players try this 100 years ago and it failed miserably?
Edit: It did.
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Edit: It did.
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Although the league was started by the players themselves, essentially as an elaborate job-action to improve their lot, the venture proved to be a setback for them in the longer term. The infamous reserve clause remained intact, and would remain thus for the next 85 years or so. The already-shaky AA had been further weakened by the presence of the PL. The Lou Bierbauer incident caused a schism between the NL and the AA, and the AA failed a year later, reducing the total number of major league teams (and players) significantly, giving the remaining owners much greater leverage against the players.
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Posted on 3/4/15 at 7:53 pm to Bench McElroy
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Didn't baseball players try this 100 years ago and it failed miserably?
Yeah, starting an entire new league requires a lot more than "I'm rich and pissed", especially these days.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 7:53 pm to Sandkhan
I can dig it
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