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Mike Mayock's updated position rankings for Draft (SIAP)
Posted on 3/4/15 at 1:24 am
Posted on 3/4/15 at 1:24 am
Cornerback
1. Trae Waynes, Michigan State
2. Jalen Collins, LSU
3. Marcus Peters, Washington
4. Kevin Johnson, Wake Forest
T-5. Byron Jones, Connecticut
T-5. P.J. Williams, Florida State
Offensive tackle
1. La'el Collins, LSU
2. T.J. Clemmings, Pittsburgh
3. Andrus Peat, Stanford
4. Ereck Flowers, Miami (Fla.)
T-5. D.J. Humphries, Florida
T-5. Cedric Ogbuehi, Texas A&M
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1. Trae Waynes, Michigan State
2. Jalen Collins, LSU
3. Marcus Peters, Washington
4. Kevin Johnson, Wake Forest
T-5. Byron Jones, Connecticut
T-5. P.J. Williams, Florida State
Offensive tackle
1. La'el Collins, LSU
2. T.J. Clemmings, Pittsburgh
3. Andrus Peat, Stanford
4. Ereck Flowers, Miami (Fla.)
T-5. D.J. Humphries, Florida
T-5. Cedric Ogbuehi, Texas A&M
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Posted on 3/4/15 at 1:31 am to smash williams
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2. Jalen Collins, LSU
Shows that messurables mean more than performance
Don't get me wrong, I like Jalen... But I think mid 3rd is as high as I'd draft him. That's not an insult either... Just based on what I saw on the field this past season
Posted on 3/4/15 at 1:40 am to mattytiger123
I actually agree with you for the most part.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 2:05 am to UnAnon
Not knocking the LSU training staff and coaches, but athletic potential seems to be the new measurable for drafting players who didn't necessarily show it all on the field. Jalen has great NFL potential. They can snag him and coach him up. Fast, tall, athletic. Good for him. And Collins
Posted on 3/4/15 at 2:12 am to USARMYDasher
Collins is just a late bloomer as far as on-field performance... coach him up and get him experience and he will shine.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 6:20 am to USARMYDasher
IMO Collins is more complete of a player than Mo Claiborne. Just my honest opinion tifwiw
Posted on 3/4/15 at 6:30 am to USARMYDasher
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Not knocking the LSU training staff and coaches, but athletic potential seems to be the new measurable for drafting players who didn't necessarily show it all on the field.
That's always been the case. It isn't anything new. A NFL coach coach can teach you how to play the game, he can't teach size and speed. If on field college performance was the only measurable then the Danny Wurffels of the world would be #1 picks.
This post was edited on 3/4/15 at 6:31 am
Posted on 3/4/15 at 6:30 am to Tiger Nation 84
NFL receivers are longer and faster than ever. Beyond that, more coordinators are running offenses with aggressive vertical route stems than ever before.
There are Welkers, there are Edelmans, yes. But there are more Megatrons, more Dwayne Bowe's out there than there are the Welkers. Which puts a premium on height, range, and speed.
Collins never gave up separation on deep routes. Period. Short stuff? Yeah. But it's tough not to give that up unless you're 5-9 or so, and then you're going to be taken advantage of with elevated throws, etc.
He's got 4.4 speed, huge wingspan, premium height and simply does not give up separation on vertical routes. NFL values that. He is also a ridiculous all around athlete, and for all the pub about Raymond, I'm sure they think they can clean his technique up at least a little bit in terms of short route coverage fundamentals.
Not a stretch for this kid at all.
There are Welkers, there are Edelmans, yes. But there are more Megatrons, more Dwayne Bowe's out there than there are the Welkers. Which puts a premium on height, range, and speed.
Collins never gave up separation on deep routes. Period. Short stuff? Yeah. But it's tough not to give that up unless you're 5-9 or so, and then you're going to be taken advantage of with elevated throws, etc.
He's got 4.4 speed, huge wingspan, premium height and simply does not give up separation on vertical routes. NFL values that. He is also a ridiculous all around athlete, and for all the pub about Raymond, I'm sure they think they can clean his technique up at least a little bit in terms of short route coverage fundamentals.
Not a stretch for this kid at all.
This post was edited on 3/4/15 at 6:42 am
Posted on 3/4/15 at 6:53 am to mattytiger123
Some of you are too hard on Jalen. Dude started the majority of his games at "DBU". Do you think anyone else in this draft could have done that? I would have to think that every player he competed for starting time with will log time in the NFL. Crazy to think we label ourselves that for like 6 or so years and someone that has started for half that span we dont think is that great.
CBs are a lot like QBs in the sense that it is easy to see when they make a mistake, and making a good play is just an expectation.
And as you all have said, kid has pretty much ideal measurables for the NFL. He may not be that perennial pro bowl type player, but he will have a solid career.
CBs are a lot like QBs in the sense that it is easy to see when they make a mistake, and making a good play is just an expectation.
And as you all have said, kid has pretty much ideal measurables for the NFL. He may not be that perennial pro bowl type player, but he will have a solid career.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 7:12 am to mattytiger123
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Just based on what I saw on the field this past season
On field performance has nothing to do with draft position. It also has nothing to do with how good a player will be. Matt Cassel never played a down of college football. Arian Foster was not a good college player either, yea he didn't get drafted but look where he is now which speaks even more to the fact that nobody cares about what you did in college they only care about what you can do now.
This post was edited on 3/4/15 at 7:13 am
Posted on 3/4/15 at 7:23 am to mattytiger123
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Shows that messurables mean more than performance
Don't get me wrong, I like Jalen... But I think mid 3rd is as high as I'd draft him. That's not an insult either... Just based on what I saw on the field this past season
I think when you look at this type of stuff, you need to look at who he played next to. Early in the season you had White and Robinson with Jalen playing the nickel. Later you had him playing opposite White. White and Robinson are both studs that most OCs are going to throw away from. Jalen was targeted a good bit more than the others and still held his own against some serious WRs. Throw in the measurables and NFL scouts see potential for him to be a stud at the next level. Don't be so quick to discount his on-the-field performance. He was still a starting corner in one of the top pass defenses in the country.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 7:56 am to GFunk
GFunk, you covered his measurable abilities well. I would add the fact that the NFL saw that he improved dramatically during his LSU career. They probably expect his improvement to progress even more. No slight on our coaches, just a result of maturity being different for different players.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 8:00 am to smash williams
Jalen Collins gets a bad rep for not being the best can corner on a team loaded with them. If he went to Tulane, he'd be leaps and bounds better than Lorenzo Doss and get props accordingly.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 8:36 am to mattytiger123
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Shows that potential means more than performance
Posted on 3/4/15 at 8:37 am to OceanMan
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Crazy to think we label ourselves that for like 6 or so years and someone that has started for half that span we dont think is that great.
thats not true
he was here 4 years and started like 10 games.
Thats not really half.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 9:32 am to smash williams
I thought he was absolutely dominant at times last year, was shocked by his speed and ball skills, and that he was a different player from his first two years (especially year two). So none of this surprises me. I'd also like to note that a lot of draft experts were high on him the whole time, and there would be threads from time to time about how "over-valued" he was when he was a sophomore by this guy or that.
Jalen had better production and shut-down capability then we give him credit for. I just think a bit of a "sophomore slump" defined his time at LSU to many fans. I remember him as a guy who had a great freshman year, a really down sophomore year and an eye-opening impressive Junior year.
Jalen had better production and shut-down capability then we give him credit for. I just think a bit of a "sophomore slump" defined his time at LSU to many fans. I remember him as a guy who had a great freshman year, a really down sophomore year and an eye-opening impressive Junior year.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 9:54 am to Good Times
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They probably expect his improvement to progress even more.
I would too, since NCAA has restriction on practice hours, NFL doesn't.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 9:59 am to SammyTiger
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he was here 4 years and started like 10 games.
I always felt "starter" on our defense is kind of a bullshite term. Players rotate in and out depending on the package and team we play. Just like our base defense under chavis was a 4-3, there were some games the majority of snaps didn't have 3 linebackers on the field.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 10:15 am to dgnx6
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I would too, since NCAA has restriction on practice hours, NFL doesn't.
Actually they do according to the latest CBA
Posted on 3/4/15 at 11:37 am to USARMYDasher
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Jalen has great NFL potential. They can snag him and coach him up. Fast, tall, athletic.
The same was said about SJB. That worked out well.
Collins was arguably the weakest link in the secondary last year.
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