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The anti-hunting machine that is the Humane Society of the United States
Posted on 3/3/15 at 9:08 pm
Posted on 3/3/15 at 9:08 pm
Long read, but worth it IMO.
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This incident made it clear that HSUS’s anti-hunting agenda is common knowledge within the outdoor community, and that sportsmen and women throughout the nation refuse to support HSUS.
Which raises the question: If we are so staunchly united against HSUS, why is this organization of antis creeping closer to shutting down hunting?
The answer lies in the virtually inexhaustible financial resources HSUS has at its disposal. After paying the bills, HSUS reported $195.4 million in net assets on its 2012 tax returns, which includes nearly $178 million of investments in publicly traded securities. That means HSUS is largely liquid—it can convert those investments into cash essentially whenever it wants.
Those public tax documents also reveal HSUS collected nearly $113 million in contributions and grants in 2012. That’s $7.8 million more than the previous year. HSUS capitalizes on its ability to suck up dollars from animal-lovers who think they are donating to local pet shelters, and it pours those donations into anti-hunting crusades.
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HSUS has a long list of victories against sportsmen and wildlife conservation in its ongoing battle to destroy hunting.
Today, HSUS continues to lead a multi-pronged attack against America’s hunters. The antis are deploying their political contacts and financial assets to strike at both state and federal levels. Current campaigns seek to overturn wolf hunting in Michigan; ban lead ammunition on public lands; and outlaw bear baiting, trapping, and hunting
with hounds in Maine. If successful, these unwarranted restrictions will cripple wildlife management and hunting as we know it.
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So what happens when HSUS marches into a state without legislation in place to protect conservation practices?
Simple: Hunters will likely lose. Referendums are won with cash. And in a battle of the coffers, HSUS wins. HSUS dropped millions to try to overturn the wolf hunt, just as it’s raising millions to end bear hunting in Maine (see below).
Yet the hunting industry generates hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue each year. So why don’t we have a war chest to combat rampant HSUS spending?
Surprisingly, more money might not be the answer.
“It’s not just about stockpiling money to fight them. That’s a defensive measure,” says Nick Pinizzotto, executive director of the U.S. Sportsmen’s Alliance. “What we need is offense. We need to focus on the fact that 70 percent of Americans support hunting. That’s an overwhelming majority. HSUS wins ballot initiatives with deception, lies, and cash. I’m not sure we counter that with cash.”
Instead, Pinizzotto supports a long-term focus on maintaining and expanding public support for hunting. As long as the fate of wildlife management remains in the public arena, we’re going to need allies. So, hunters: Start recruiting.
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Posted on 3/3/15 at 9:38 pm to weagle99
Reads just like a typical NRA flyer
Posted on 3/3/15 at 10:39 pm to weagle99
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wolf hunting
Against it. Nobody eats wolves. They are an apex predator necessary to maintain healthy game populations.
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bear baiting,trapping, hunting with hounds
Against that too. Not sporting. Plus bear meat is greasy and not very palatable.
There are dozens of hunting opportunities that the general public doesn't hate. The notion that we have to support every form of hunting or we lose all hunting is complete bullshite. HSUS could spend millions in La and never get rid of deer, squirrel, rabbit, pig, etc hunting. They would get laughed out of the state.
Better to give your money to DU, DW, QU, NWTF, etc than guys who make up stories that we are all under attack.
Posted on 3/3/15 at 10:45 pm to Mung
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NWTF
frick this group right along with HSUS
Posted on 3/3/15 at 11:41 pm to Mung
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Against it. Nobody eats wolves. They are an apex predator necessary to maintain healthy game populations. bear baiting,trapping, hunting with hounds Against that too. Not sporting. Plus bear meat is greasy and not very palatable.
Yep, if you don't like it you should support outlawing it.
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The notion that we have to support every form of hunting or we lose all hunting is complete bullshite.
While I agree, the notion that we should support outlawing any form of hunting either actively or passively based on pulled heart strings instead of resource management, human safety, and actual facts is also complete BS.
Posted on 3/3/15 at 11:49 pm to Bleeding purple
I don't really care about wolf or bear hunting. I'm not actively against it or anything, but I'm not one to kill or catch anything that's not going in my freezer (I make a special exception for a coyote or a snake).
Posted on 3/4/15 at 12:17 am to TigernMS12
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I don't really care about wolf or bear hunting. I'm not actively against it or anything, but I'm not one to kill or catch anything that's not going in my freezer (I make a special exception for a coyote or a snake).
You realize what you did here?
Posted on 3/4/15 at 6:02 am to Mung
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gainst it. Nobody eats wolves. They are an apex predator necessary to maintain healthy game populations.
Article mentions that wolf numbers needed to be decreased to achieve a healthy population per the state DNR / FWS.
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The Michigan Natural Resources Commission rolled out the USFWS-approved management plan, which included a wolf hunt for fall 2013. Hunters harvested 22 wolves in the state’s first modern hunt—well below the harvest quota of 43.
This post was edited on 3/4/15 at 6:04 am
Posted on 3/4/15 at 6:19 am to Mung
You have obviously never eaten bear meat...I have. It is like anything else, depends first and for most on the diet and age of the animal, any animal. The bear I ate was shot in Maine by a friend of mine. I did nothing to is. No marinade no brine nothing just onto the grill ( I do the same thing with any new meat, I want to taste the meat)and it was excellent. Sounds like you should stay away from wild pig also.
If you don't like it........we shouldn't hunt it. I get it.
If you don't like it........we shouldn't hunt it. I get it.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 8:02 am to Mung
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Against it. Nobody eats wolves. They are an apex predator necessary to maintain healthy game populations.
Do you eat coyotes? By your logic, let's just let the coyote population run rampant right?
Posted on 3/4/15 at 8:12 am to Mung
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HSUS could spend millions in La and never get rid of deer, squirrel, rabbit, pig, etc hunting. They would get laughed out of the state.
this is a terrible mindset to have. Goes along the same lines as someone who only hunts and has nothing but bolt-action rifles saying that they don't care if they ban semi-auto rifles because I don't use them.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 8:29 am to Mung
quote:It's something the weaker minds can grasp onto and feel good about.
The notion that we have to support every form of hunting or we lose all hunting is complete bullshite.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 8:31 am to Mung
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Against that too. Not sporting. Plus bear meat is greasy and not very palatable.
I consider duck inedible, and it's not very sporting to shoot limits of unpressured ducks over flooded fields so let's outlaw that.
While we're at it, it's not really sporting to shoot deer 300 yards away out of a box stand. There are plenty of people that don't like the taste of deer, so we'll outlaw that too.
This post was edited on 3/4/15 at 8:32 am
Posted on 3/4/15 at 8:38 am to AlxTgr
Mung is your alter too?
Who knew?
Who knew?
Posted on 3/4/15 at 8:41 am to Mung
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Against it
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Against that too.
I agree with you on the NRA topic, BUT this is how organizations like HSUS accomplish their goal. Divide and conquer. I personally disagree with bear hunting. However, as an outdoorsman shouldn't I support all forms of legal hunting even if I don't agree with it?
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HSUS could spend millions in La and never get rid of deer, squirrel, rabbit, pig, etc hunting. They would get laughed out of the state.
What about states where the hunting population isn't as strong? I feel like the stance you took here was a little short sighted.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 8:58 am to KingRanch
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Mung is your alter too?
Who knew?
Posted on 3/4/15 at 9:13 am to AlxTgr
I wouldn't have any issue banning using dogs for bear hunting. Especially radio collar "hunts." I don't really have an issue with killing bear, more of an issue with the people in my area that do it.
Purposely trying to keep people off a popular tourist road by causing wrecks with intentional oil/nail/etc spills in the road and treating your dogs like shite isn't the way to make sure your controversial hobby is supported by the general public.
Purposely trying to keep people off a popular tourist road by causing wrecks with intentional oil/nail/etc spills in the road and treating your dogs like shite isn't the way to make sure your controversial hobby is supported by the general public.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 9:20 am to Dam Guide
What about coon hunting with dogs?
It's no different. The Bears are just way smaller.
It's no different. The Bears are just way smaller.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 9:35 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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What about coon hunting with dogs?
It's no different. The Bears are just way smaller.
I don't have direct experience with coon hunters like I do with my area's bear hunters. I don't know if their dogs are treated far better than what I have seen of the bear hunters. I don't know if they attack/intimidate the general public for just simply using a highly popular US highway because it scares off the object of their hunt.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 9:40 am to AlxTgr
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AlxTgr
Thankfully you appear to not have a significant role in defending hunting nationwide.
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