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Someone told me if you can't buy a hundred shares you are wasting your time.

Posted on 2/28/15 at 3:12 pm
Posted by LSUneaux
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Posted on 2/28/15 at 3:12 pm
This guy told me that he would not buy any stocks that you cannot easily buy 100 shares. I said I wanted to buy Apple stock, and he said "why would you want to do that? You will not get any return on that. He said the price is too high too expensive. Am I wrong here or does he just not know the basic principles of investing? He said he only trades ETFs and broad indices.
Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 2/28/15 at 3:14 pm to
Well if you bought 10 Apple shares in 1998 you'd have a good return at the current stock price with no split
Posted by windshieldman
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 2/28/15 at 3:29 pm to
What if Apple goes to $300? Then what.
Posted by iAmBatman
The Batcave
Member since Mar 2011
12382 posts
Posted on 2/28/15 at 3:42 pm to
That guys is an idiot. A 10% gain is a 10% gain. Doesn't matter if it comes from 1 stock or 100.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
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Posted on 2/28/15 at 3:44 pm to
Unless there is some volume discount on stock purchases available to the general public that I'm not aware of... every share purchased at the same time gets the same return.

Now, I don't think anyone should invest in individual corporate stock unless they have the time to research and follow the company. And it's easier to track 1 company - where you have 100 shares, then to track 50 companies where you have 2 shares each.

Also, if you trade on a flat commission, then you can spread your trading costs over more shares if you buy more shares of fewer companies. But commissions are so low these days, I don't see how that's really an issue.
Posted by good_2_geaux
Member since Feb 2015
740 posts
Posted on 2/28/15 at 3:48 pm to
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A 10% gain is a 10% gain. Doesn't matter if it comes from 1 stock or 100.


This
Posted by UltimaParadox
Huntsville
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 2/28/15 at 4:30 pm to
quote:

This guy told me that he would not buy any stocks that you cannot easily buy 100 shares.


Yea pretty dumb way to approach it.

Never use one metric to determine your investments.
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
80161 posts
Posted on 2/28/15 at 4:58 pm to
depends on what your transaction fees are
Posted by LSUneaux
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Member since Mar 2014
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Posted on 2/28/15 at 5:23 pm to
The guy I talked to is exactly the reason that I'm so happy about the upcoming Visa stock split - people who think it's "cheap" all the sudden. It's so nice to be smart.
This post was edited on 2/28/15 at 5:24 pm
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 2/28/15 at 5:29 pm to
How old is "this guy"? It was true as recently as the 80's, you had to buy "round lots" of 100 shares or you'd face stiff extra fees. So if he's 70 and hasn't done much with stocks he probably thinks he's right - but he isn't.

BTW, this is precisely why Social Security was a great idea back in the 1930's. Back then you had to buy in round lots too, so 100 shares of, say, US Steel might cost a few thousand in 1930's dollars. Most people couldn't afford that. Most people were simply unable to save much other than buying US treasuries or municipal bonds. Of course, today we have much better options.
Posted by LSUneaux
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Posted on 2/28/15 at 5:55 pm to
35
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
98130 posts
Posted on 2/28/15 at 5:55 pm to
Just to throw a different perspective in here, if you want to sell some and keep some, it's easier if you have more shares.
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 2/28/15 at 6:19 pm to
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35


He's either Rip Van Winkle or just repeating something his father told him then. Seriously, that might have had some point 30 years ago but not since then.
Posted by TheHiddenFlask
The Welsh red light district
Member since Jul 2008
18384 posts
Posted on 2/28/15 at 6:39 pm to
Minimum transaction size for BRK.A is $20MM?

This guy must post on the OT.
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 2/28/15 at 7:22 pm to
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Minimum transaction size for BRK.A is $20MM?


Back in the 1930's (yes, almost 100 years ago, think about that) trade settlement was conducted entirely by paper and pen. If you wanted to conduct a trade of any size at all, you were setting into motion a process involving the following:

1) Call a broker, who was always smiling.
2) Broker calls the firm's trading desk and physically jots down on paper that he (always he) has done so in order to report back to you.
3) The trading desk tries to find out if they can do the trade internally with someone else who sells. Again, lots of paper-shuffling.
4) Assuming they can't fill the trade internally, they go to the exchange and do a deal on the floor.
5) After-hours during the next week, follow up with the other firm to settle the trade.
6) Report back to the trading desk that the deal was done.
7) Trading desk reports back to the broker that the deal was done.
8) Broker reports back to you that the deal was done.

That is one helluva lotta human labor for a single trade. Very expensive, so obviously you had to be willing to trade lots of shares to set that process going.

Now this is all automated and costs virtually nothing but 1-2 generations ago the cost was enormous, so it wasn't worthwhile unless your order was at least $5k or so - discounted by inflation.
Posted by castorinho
13623 posts
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 2/28/15 at 8:41 pm to
I guess the BRK shareholders are doing it wrong
Posted by matthew25
Member since Jun 2012
9425 posts
Posted on 3/1/15 at 12:39 am to
Fo- is that how Edward Jones still does it?
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 3/1/15 at 12:23 pm to
I don't really know how EJ handles stock trading operations. It probably involves a computer now, of course, but the basic idea would be similar - a broker takes an order, passes it to a trading desk, and they execute the trade. It might be done internally as well if they have inventory or a client who is selling.

The main difference is that the cost of doing all that is tremendously lower today than it was in 1930, which is why you had to buy 100 shares or more to justify the cost of doing the transaction.
Posted by makersmark1
earth
Member since Oct 2011
15746 posts
Posted on 3/1/15 at 6:34 pm to
After 25 years of "investing", I will state that the best returns for me were on DRIPs that I set up after I got married. We bought maybe 2 shares a month of 10 stocks or so and reinvested all the dividends. I wish I had never stopped this programmatic approach. I would be richer now.

I bought 25 of Apple last August. Then it split 7 for 1. If a 130 stock has 10 dollars of earnings, that is better to me than a 5 dollar stock with no earnings.

Consistent investing in good companies over time works. It is not as sexy as a straddle option position, but it has worked better for me that anything else I have done.

Posted by CajunTiger92
Member since Dec 2007
2820 posts
Posted on 3/2/15 at 6:33 am to
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makersmark1


^^^what he said. Consistent investing in good companies or a broad index (SP 500) over a long period of time. It is not a waste of time if less than hundred shares.
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