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2015 NFL Mock Draft Database (Updated 4/17/15)
Posted on 2/25/15 at 2:51 pm
Posted on 2/25/15 at 2:51 pm
Well it's that time of year again, the time of uncertainty, hope & excitement waiting for that day to get here to see who will be the newest members of the Who Dat Nation. Personally my favorite time of the year on this board. We all have our opinions on who they should draft and who we want them to draft.
Well every year we have 13 million post on this and that mock draft saying this and that, well I'm making this thread in hopes of keeping the mock drafts here in this one thread. Here are some of the top Mock Draft databases around, if you have any more let me know and I will add them to the OP.
2015 NFL Draft April 30th - May 2nd
1st Round Thursday April 30th
2nd & 3rd Round Friday May 1st
4th - 7th Round Saturday May 2nd
Saints Draft Picks
1st Round: Pick #13 & #31
2nd Round: Pick #44
3rd Round: Pick #75 & #78
5th Round: Pick #148 & #154
6th Round: Pick #186
7th Round: Pick #230
The Mock Draft Databases:
Walter Football Database
DC Pro Mock Database
NFL.com Database
CBS Sports Database
Draft Ace
Draft Trade Value Chart
Mock Draft Scores
Draft Rumors/Player Interviews:
Draft Rumor Thread
NFL.Com
Walters Football
Here's Hoping We Draft The Player You Covet Most...
The next couple post are some of our most mocked players as of now:
Well every year we have 13 million post on this and that mock draft saying this and that, well I'm making this thread in hopes of keeping the mock drafts here in this one thread. Here are some of the top Mock Draft databases around, if you have any more let me know and I will add them to the OP.
2015 NFL Draft April 30th - May 2nd
1st Round Thursday April 30th
2nd & 3rd Round Friday May 1st
4th - 7th Round Saturday May 2nd
Saints Draft Picks
1st Round: Pick #13 & #31
2nd Round: Pick #44
3rd Round: Pick #75 & #78
5th Round: Pick #148 & #154
6th Round: Pick #186
7th Round: Pick #230
The Mock Draft Databases:
Walter Football Database
DC Pro Mock Database
NFL.com Database
CBS Sports Database
Draft Ace
Draft Trade Value Chart
Mock Draft Scores
Draft Rumors/Player Interviews:
Draft Rumor Thread
NFL.Com
Walters Football
Here's Hoping We Draft The Player You Covet Most...
The next couple post are some of our most mocked players as of now:
This post was edited on 4/17/15 at 8:33 pm
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Posted on 2/25/15 at 2:52 pm to Meateye
Shane Ray / DE / Missouri / 6'3" / 245LBS.
Analysis:
Strengths: Explosive athlete in every sense. Has elite power for his size and explodes off the line like a coiled spring. Rushes passer with extreme passion and purpose. Has fast, violent hands with advanced understanding of how to use them. Tough and plays with bad intentions on each snap. Uses rip to get under linemen and out-leverage them. Played 4-3 defensive right end in base but rushed from three-technique in some sub-packages. Once he gets to blocker's edge, they struggle to recover and redirect. Rare ability to post inside leg and get his body turned sharply and quickly around it toward quarterback. Excellent change-of-direction talent. Has natural coordination of head fakes, footwork and hand usage in pass rush. Works hard to stand his ground against power. Has power in upper body and hips to punch and dispatch with tight ends against run. Rarely runs past the arc as a rusher and will fight to come back underneath if he gets on the high side. Was able to drop into space with no issues when asked.
Weaknesses: Lacks ideal length as an outside rusher. At times was engulfed and glued to the bigger tackles he faced. Can get too focused on hand fighting if he doesn't win with hands early in pass rush. Will occasionally stunt himself out of a play, opening up running lane. If rushing from inside, must learn to set up teammates when running "T/E" (tackle first, end under) twists. Relies on arm-over inside and slap/rip outside -- needs more variety to pass rush.
NFL Comparison: Chris Clemons
Bottom Line: It's hard to find many weaknesses for Ray. He pursues the quarterback and the ball like it's his last snap. An alpha male packaged in an explosive frame, Ray has the traits and skills to be a dominant pass rusher and potential Pro Bowler. He also has the athleticism and strength to play in any defensive front.
Vic Beasley / OLB / Clemson / 6'3" / 246LBS.
Analysis:
Overview: Excelled in track, basketball and football while at Adairsville High School in Georgia. Beasley was recruited as a defensive athlete after playing running back, tight end and defensive end in high school. Redshirted in 2010 and played just 16 snaps in 2011. Burst onto the scene in 2012 as a redshirt sophomore with 18 tackles, eight tackles for loss and a team-high 8 sacks. Consensus All-American in 2013 and finished with 44 tackles, 23 tackles for loss (third in the nation), 13 sacks (tied for third in the nation), 12 quarterback pressures, four forced fumbles and one fumble recovered. Began 2014 on the watch lists for Bednarik, Lombardi, Nagurski and Walter Camp Awards. Has averaged a sack every 42 snaps over his last two seasons. Beasley is the all-time sack leader in Clemson history with 29 and graduated with a degree in Sociology in August 2014. Beasley?s father played collegiately at Auburn.
Strengths: Explosive athlete who's always first off the snap. True edge bender who can torque hips and shoulders to turn corner. Has ankle flexion to dip and slalom around corner at difficult angles to block. Former running back with quick feet and fluid hips. Able to change directions and burst to target. Possesses potentially lethal spin move, but doesn't use it enough. Primarily a hand-in-dirt rusher but has played standing, too. Able to drop into space. Solid instincts and outstanding closing burst. Quick hands to swat initial punch. Hands will get even better and could become a major weapon with more coaching. Can embarrass tackles who lunge and miss.
Weaknesses: High cut with narrow waist and thin legs. Needs to add more bulk. Unlikely to convert speed to power against NFL tackles. Wins with athleticism on majority of his sacks. Rarely transitions from speed rush to spin as an instinctual pass-rush counter. Lacks ideal arm length. Too often content to stay blocked if pass rush stalls out. Needs to shed blocks more consistently against run. Good football character, but scouts are concerned about a lack of alpha-dog tenacity.
NFL Comparison: Bruce Irvin
Bottom Line: Projects as 3-4 outside linebacker. Considered one of the best pure edge rushers in the draft, but needs more sophistication to his approach. Has speed and explosion to become an absolute menace for a creative defensive coordinator. High-impact talent but needs to crank up competitive nature in order to reach his potential.
Bud Dupree / DE / Kentucky / 6'4" / 269LBS.
Analysis:
Strengths: Freakish athlete with chiseled frame. Outstanding power with ability to rag-doll tight ends at will. Should be an above average edge-setter. Good transition from playing run to rushing quarterback in play-action. Explosive closing burst. Willing thumper when he has a shot on running back. Can drop into space and play zone. Raw, but learning with huge growth potential as a player. Has strength at the point to be a physical edge-setter. Scouts give him plus grade for character. Will post eye-popping numbers at the NFL Scouting Combine.
Weaknesses: Tall but not long. Wins with athleticism over skill at this point. Some scouts believe his instincts are below average, leading to hesitation. Will get caught taking bad angles to the ball. Needs to improve hand fighting. Still raw rushing the passer. Doesn't possess a go-to pass-rush move. Appears to lack urgency in-game.
Sources Tell Us: "He's a little slow to diagnose, which causes him to get a late start on plays. I would ask him to drop into space in zone dog looks and that's about it. To me, he's a pure see 'em, get 'em 3-4 rush end." -- NFC East regional scout
NFL Comparison: Jamie Collins
Bottom Line: Dupree is an explosive, powerful athlete with a background in basketball. While he's been productive at Kentucky, his tape doesn't always do his potential justice. He must continue to improve as a pass rusher, but his traits are undeniable. Difference between being good and great might be his coordinator.
Analysis:
Strengths: Explosive athlete in every sense. Has elite power for his size and explodes off the line like a coiled spring. Rushes passer with extreme passion and purpose. Has fast, violent hands with advanced understanding of how to use them. Tough and plays with bad intentions on each snap. Uses rip to get under linemen and out-leverage them. Played 4-3 defensive right end in base but rushed from three-technique in some sub-packages. Once he gets to blocker's edge, they struggle to recover and redirect. Rare ability to post inside leg and get his body turned sharply and quickly around it toward quarterback. Excellent change-of-direction talent. Has natural coordination of head fakes, footwork and hand usage in pass rush. Works hard to stand his ground against power. Has power in upper body and hips to punch and dispatch with tight ends against run. Rarely runs past the arc as a rusher and will fight to come back underneath if he gets on the high side. Was able to drop into space with no issues when asked.
Weaknesses: Lacks ideal length as an outside rusher. At times was engulfed and glued to the bigger tackles he faced. Can get too focused on hand fighting if he doesn't win with hands early in pass rush. Will occasionally stunt himself out of a play, opening up running lane. If rushing from inside, must learn to set up teammates when running "T/E" (tackle first, end under) twists. Relies on arm-over inside and slap/rip outside -- needs more variety to pass rush.
NFL Comparison: Chris Clemons
Bottom Line: It's hard to find many weaknesses for Ray. He pursues the quarterback and the ball like it's his last snap. An alpha male packaged in an explosive frame, Ray has the traits and skills to be a dominant pass rusher and potential Pro Bowler. He also has the athleticism and strength to play in any defensive front.
Vic Beasley / OLB / Clemson / 6'3" / 246LBS.
Analysis:
Overview: Excelled in track, basketball and football while at Adairsville High School in Georgia. Beasley was recruited as a defensive athlete after playing running back, tight end and defensive end in high school. Redshirted in 2010 and played just 16 snaps in 2011. Burst onto the scene in 2012 as a redshirt sophomore with 18 tackles, eight tackles for loss and a team-high 8 sacks. Consensus All-American in 2013 and finished with 44 tackles, 23 tackles for loss (third in the nation), 13 sacks (tied for third in the nation), 12 quarterback pressures, four forced fumbles and one fumble recovered. Began 2014 on the watch lists for Bednarik, Lombardi, Nagurski and Walter Camp Awards. Has averaged a sack every 42 snaps over his last two seasons. Beasley is the all-time sack leader in Clemson history with 29 and graduated with a degree in Sociology in August 2014. Beasley?s father played collegiately at Auburn.
Strengths: Explosive athlete who's always first off the snap. True edge bender who can torque hips and shoulders to turn corner. Has ankle flexion to dip and slalom around corner at difficult angles to block. Former running back with quick feet and fluid hips. Able to change directions and burst to target. Possesses potentially lethal spin move, but doesn't use it enough. Primarily a hand-in-dirt rusher but has played standing, too. Able to drop into space. Solid instincts and outstanding closing burst. Quick hands to swat initial punch. Hands will get even better and could become a major weapon with more coaching. Can embarrass tackles who lunge and miss.
Weaknesses: High cut with narrow waist and thin legs. Needs to add more bulk. Unlikely to convert speed to power against NFL tackles. Wins with athleticism on majority of his sacks. Rarely transitions from speed rush to spin as an instinctual pass-rush counter. Lacks ideal arm length. Too often content to stay blocked if pass rush stalls out. Needs to shed blocks more consistently against run. Good football character, but scouts are concerned about a lack of alpha-dog tenacity.
NFL Comparison: Bruce Irvin
Bottom Line: Projects as 3-4 outside linebacker. Considered one of the best pure edge rushers in the draft, but needs more sophistication to his approach. Has speed and explosion to become an absolute menace for a creative defensive coordinator. High-impact talent but needs to crank up competitive nature in order to reach his potential.
Bud Dupree / DE / Kentucky / 6'4" / 269LBS.
Analysis:
Strengths: Freakish athlete with chiseled frame. Outstanding power with ability to rag-doll tight ends at will. Should be an above average edge-setter. Good transition from playing run to rushing quarterback in play-action. Explosive closing burst. Willing thumper when he has a shot on running back. Can drop into space and play zone. Raw, but learning with huge growth potential as a player. Has strength at the point to be a physical edge-setter. Scouts give him plus grade for character. Will post eye-popping numbers at the NFL Scouting Combine.
Weaknesses: Tall but not long. Wins with athleticism over skill at this point. Some scouts believe his instincts are below average, leading to hesitation. Will get caught taking bad angles to the ball. Needs to improve hand fighting. Still raw rushing the passer. Doesn't possess a go-to pass-rush move. Appears to lack urgency in-game.
Sources Tell Us: "He's a little slow to diagnose, which causes him to get a late start on plays. I would ask him to drop into space in zone dog looks and that's about it. To me, he's a pure see 'em, get 'em 3-4 rush end." -- NFC East regional scout
NFL Comparison: Jamie Collins
Bottom Line: Dupree is an explosive, powerful athlete with a background in basketball. While he's been productive at Kentucky, his tape doesn't always do his potential justice. He must continue to improve as a pass rusher, but his traits are undeniable. Difference between being good and great might be his coordinator.
This post was edited on 3/22/15 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 2/25/15 at 2:52 pm to Meateye
Dante Fowler / DE / Florida / 6'3" / 261lbs
Analysis:
Strengths: Well-built, athletic frame with very long arms. Has transformed body since coming in, losing 25 pounds while adding substantial explosiveness in space. Versatile -- was moved around field for Gators. Can rush from two- or three-point stance. Good first-step quickness. Uses improving spin move to counter when rush stalls high-side. Can dip and turn corner against upright tackles. Slants inside with devastating quickness. Well-timed arm over to whip lungers. Rangy in pursuit. Has hips and feet to change direction seamlessly. Can chase play-side running back to sideline and terminate with very little angle. Length to stifle cut blocks. Strong hands and arm extension to set edge and maintain.
Weaknesses: Bounced all over the field. Raw pass rusher. Still learning nuances of the position. Needs more coordination between hands and feet. Pass-rush approach lacks efficiency and includes too much wasted motion. Expected "speed-to-power" conversion inconsistent on tape. Tackles with length can lock him out and run him over the top. Average lower-body strength with limited window to fend off power. Limited recovery talent when beaten early in snap. Inconsistency against downhill running game is a concern.
Sources Tell Us: "He's had to play at different weights and different spots on the field, and I think he's finally understanding how to use his athleticism to dominate a game. He will be way better in the pros than what he is now." -- AFC East college director of scouting
NFL Comparison: Khalil Mack
Bottom Line: Strong-side 3-4 outside linebacker with the physical traits and above-average potential to set the edge or spill runs wide to an early demise. Fowler is a competitive pass rusher getting by on athleticism and inside moves right now, but has a Pro Bowl ceiling with double-digit sack potential if he takes coaching and addresses his rush technique.
La'el Collins / OT / LSU / 6'4" / 305LBS.
Analysis:
Strengths: Thick through chest and displays upper-body strength. Has strong hands and will snatch and control less active defenders. He takes defenders for a ride once he's engaged on the move. Loves to mash and intimidate opponents. Mean player. Can center pass rushers and end their attempt in pass pro. Utilizes length in pass protection and is acclimated to a pro-style offense. Able to run-block and pass-set laterally. Well-schooled and technically proficient. If he gets beat on a play, he comes back even harder on the next snap. Finisher. Can come in and play guard or tackle.
Weaknesses: Fails to consistently bring hips and feet with him through contact in the running game, causing him to fall forward and lose balance. Hands will start too low in pass pro at times and has to work hard to redirect. Change of direction is slow for a tackle. Relies on lunging rather than foot movement to counter inside moves. Plays high out of stance and loses leverage battle on short-yardage confrontations. Will have to move to right tackle or inside.
NFL Comparison: Maurkice Pouncey
Bottom Line: Lumbering brawler who has had a level of success in hyper-competitive SEC West. Lacks athleticism to be a consistent left tackle and will have to move to right tackle or bump inside to guard. Collins plays with a mean streak that is evident in every game and could come in and start right away in a power running game as a guard.
Trae Waynes / CB / Michigan State / 6'0" / 186LBS.
Analysis:
Strengths: Good length. Loves to compete in man-to-man and is mentally tough. Asked to play on an island and did so successfully. Allowed just two touchdowns over last two seasons. Bump-and-run specialist. Recovery speed to make up for separation. Maintains feel for vertical threats and uses his frame to pin wideouts against sideline. Excels in deep, man coverage and can be smothering. Acceleration and length to contest any throw on the field. Well-coached and plays with proper leverage in coverage. Can be intimidating and disruptive against finesse receivers. Drives forward with burst and runs through targets, jarring balls loose. Wrap-up tackler who understands his responsibility against the run.
Weaknesses: "Grab, grab, grab!" Transition to a less hands-on cover style will take time. Would grab opposing wide receivers at top of route at times rather than trusting length and ball skills. Penalized nine times over last two seasons. Tight through hips and tends to play upright. Struggles to mirror and match against quickness. Hips and feet get clumsy in transition. Allows brief separation window at the top of short and intermediate routes. Fails to sink hips to stop, causing balance issues. Sometimes plays with blinders on and anticipation is below average. Slow to process combinations.
NFL Comparison: Antonio Cromartie
Bottom Line: He's a bump-and-run cornerback with the length, deep speed and confidence to handle himself down the field against speed. Waynes plays too handsy for NFL officials and that could show up on Sundays due to his lack of great feet and suddenness. He needs technique work and could be inconsistent early on, but he has a very high floor.
Analysis:
Strengths: Well-built, athletic frame with very long arms. Has transformed body since coming in, losing 25 pounds while adding substantial explosiveness in space. Versatile -- was moved around field for Gators. Can rush from two- or three-point stance. Good first-step quickness. Uses improving spin move to counter when rush stalls high-side. Can dip and turn corner against upright tackles. Slants inside with devastating quickness. Well-timed arm over to whip lungers. Rangy in pursuit. Has hips and feet to change direction seamlessly. Can chase play-side running back to sideline and terminate with very little angle. Length to stifle cut blocks. Strong hands and arm extension to set edge and maintain.
Weaknesses: Bounced all over the field. Raw pass rusher. Still learning nuances of the position. Needs more coordination between hands and feet. Pass-rush approach lacks efficiency and includes too much wasted motion. Expected "speed-to-power" conversion inconsistent on tape. Tackles with length can lock him out and run him over the top. Average lower-body strength with limited window to fend off power. Limited recovery talent when beaten early in snap. Inconsistency against downhill running game is a concern.
Sources Tell Us: "He's had to play at different weights and different spots on the field, and I think he's finally understanding how to use his athleticism to dominate a game. He will be way better in the pros than what he is now." -- AFC East college director of scouting
NFL Comparison: Khalil Mack
Bottom Line: Strong-side 3-4 outside linebacker with the physical traits and above-average potential to set the edge or spill runs wide to an early demise. Fowler is a competitive pass rusher getting by on athleticism and inside moves right now, but has a Pro Bowl ceiling with double-digit sack potential if he takes coaching and addresses his rush technique.
La'el Collins / OT / LSU / 6'4" / 305LBS.
Analysis:
Strengths: Thick through chest and displays upper-body strength. Has strong hands and will snatch and control less active defenders. He takes defenders for a ride once he's engaged on the move. Loves to mash and intimidate opponents. Mean player. Can center pass rushers and end their attempt in pass pro. Utilizes length in pass protection and is acclimated to a pro-style offense. Able to run-block and pass-set laterally. Well-schooled and technically proficient. If he gets beat on a play, he comes back even harder on the next snap. Finisher. Can come in and play guard or tackle.
Weaknesses: Fails to consistently bring hips and feet with him through contact in the running game, causing him to fall forward and lose balance. Hands will start too low in pass pro at times and has to work hard to redirect. Change of direction is slow for a tackle. Relies on lunging rather than foot movement to counter inside moves. Plays high out of stance and loses leverage battle on short-yardage confrontations. Will have to move to right tackle or inside.
NFL Comparison: Maurkice Pouncey
Bottom Line: Lumbering brawler who has had a level of success in hyper-competitive SEC West. Lacks athleticism to be a consistent left tackle and will have to move to right tackle or bump inside to guard. Collins plays with a mean streak that is evident in every game and could come in and start right away in a power running game as a guard.
Trae Waynes / CB / Michigan State / 6'0" / 186LBS.
Analysis:
Strengths: Good length. Loves to compete in man-to-man and is mentally tough. Asked to play on an island and did so successfully. Allowed just two touchdowns over last two seasons. Bump-and-run specialist. Recovery speed to make up for separation. Maintains feel for vertical threats and uses his frame to pin wideouts against sideline. Excels in deep, man coverage and can be smothering. Acceleration and length to contest any throw on the field. Well-coached and plays with proper leverage in coverage. Can be intimidating and disruptive against finesse receivers. Drives forward with burst and runs through targets, jarring balls loose. Wrap-up tackler who understands his responsibility against the run.
Weaknesses: "Grab, grab, grab!" Transition to a less hands-on cover style will take time. Would grab opposing wide receivers at top of route at times rather than trusting length and ball skills. Penalized nine times over last two seasons. Tight through hips and tends to play upright. Struggles to mirror and match against quickness. Hips and feet get clumsy in transition. Allows brief separation window at the top of short and intermediate routes. Fails to sink hips to stop, causing balance issues. Sometimes plays with blinders on and anticipation is below average. Slow to process combinations.
NFL Comparison: Antonio Cromartie
Bottom Line: He's a bump-and-run cornerback with the length, deep speed and confidence to handle himself down the field against speed. Waynes plays too handsy for NFL officials and that could show up on Sundays due to his lack of great feet and suddenness. He needs technique work and could be inconsistent early on, but he has a very high floor.
This post was edited on 2/26/15 at 7:48 am
Posted on 2/25/15 at 4:23 pm to Meateye
Nice work here 
Posted on 2/25/15 at 6:27 pm to Upperdecker
quote:
Nice work here
Posted on 2/25/15 at 7:42 pm to Meateye
Please sweet baby Jesus let Fowler fall to 13.
Posted on 2/25/15 at 10:00 pm to PurpleDrank18
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Please sweet baby Jesus let Fowler fall to 13
Would be cool but I dont see it happening. Think he's off the board. I really think it depends on what we pick up in free agency, if we don't pick up a corner I think we go Waynes if we don't pick up a gaurd I think we go Collins
Posted on 2/25/15 at 10:09 pm to Meateye
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Would be cool but I dont see it happening. Think he's off the board. I really think it depends on what we pick up in free agency, if we don't pick up a corner I think we go Waynes if we don't pick up a gaurd I think we go Collins
Oh yeah, it's definitely a pipe dream. I'd be shocked if he got past the Falcons. But a man can dream, dammit!
Realistically I think we're looking at Waynes, Collins or one of Shelton/Gregory/Dupree. Possibly White or Amari but as with Fowler id be very surprised if either of them is available for our pick.
This post was edited on 2/25/15 at 10:10 pm
Posted on 2/25/15 at 10:26 pm to PurpleDrank18
At first I wasn't a big fan but Beasley changed my mind at the combine. Dudes a beast!
This post was edited on 2/25/15 at 10:27 pm
Posted on 2/25/15 at 10:50 pm to Meateye
Yeah I'm in the same boat. I think he put a lot of question marks to rest. He put on weight and was able to carry it very well. I still worry about him in run support, but I think he vaulted himself back into the top 10.
Posted on 2/25/15 at 11:14 pm to PurpleDrank18
I think its best pass rusher available or we trade back. Then it will probably be Collins and then a LB in the 2nd
Posted on 2/25/15 at 11:27 pm to WicKed WayZ
I'd love to trade back. This draft isn't very top heavy but it has a lot of depth. If we we're to drop into the 20's we could get a guy like Jalen, Cam Erving, Eli Harold or an ILB.
Posted on 2/26/15 at 12:28 am to PurpleDrank18
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I'd love to trade back.
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or an ILB.
Hell Yeah!!!!!!!!!
I don't think it will happen but I'm right there with you.
I hope for once a good player falls to us and we take advantage and hit a homerun. Reggie Bush was the last one I can remember where we did.
but I guess that's just my opinion.
Posted on 2/26/15 at 1:10 am to LooseCannon22282
I still wouldn't mind McKinney or Perryman if we dropped back late in the first. Then maybe package 2 3rd rounders to get another 2nd round pick.
No matter who we got, if we got 3 solid players in the first 2 rounds then the draft would be a success.
No matter who we got, if we got 3 solid players in the first 2 rounds then the draft would be a success.
Posted on 2/26/15 at 1:39 am to WicKed WayZ
i'm kinda hoping for McKinney or Eric Kendricks from UCLA in the 2nd round?
I like McKinney more because he's a taller LB who seems like he can cover. Almost too good to be true. It pisses me off because we haven't drafted a LB very high in a long time.
Mark Fields.
1995.
1st round.
that aint right man... too long of a time. LB's are still important and McKinney seems like he fits the prototype for today's game?
I like McKinney more because he's a taller LB who seems like he can cover. Almost too good to be true. It pisses me off because we haven't drafted a LB very high in a long time.
Mark Fields.
1995.
1st round.
that aint right man... too long of a time. LB's are still important and McKinney seems like he fits the prototype for today's game?
This post was edited on 2/26/15 at 1:42 am
Posted on 2/26/15 at 2:49 am to LooseCannon22282
I've soured on McKinney. I think he can be a solid LB in the league, just not what we need. He's the least instinctive LB in the main top group (Perryman, Dawson, Kendricks, Anthony). His coverage skills are probably the worst out of all five of them. Not saying he's terrible in coverage just the most sub-par. Sure he's got the athleticism and body scouts drool over but I see him as more of a thumper.
I still like what I see from Dawson. His tape >>>> his combine. He plays with a way faster and is highly instinctive - he just knows where to be and gets there. I read somewhere called him "functionally athletic" and I think that fits him perfect. He's not a track star but his talents translate onto the field. Plus with his combine we might be able to get him in the 2nd if were lucky but I doubt it. I still have faith he can undo the damage he did at the combine on his pro day.
If I had to rank them considering what the Saints need out of a LB and the potential value of where we'd be able to pick them (so one LB could be "better" but a similar talent could be had later or fit better so I'd rank them higer) I'd say my rankings would be:
Dawson
Anthony
Kendricks
McKinney
Perryman
I still like what I see from Dawson. His tape >>>> his combine. He plays with a way faster and is highly instinctive - he just knows where to be and gets there. I read somewhere called him "functionally athletic" and I think that fits him perfect. He's not a track star but his talents translate onto the field. Plus with his combine we might be able to get him in the 2nd if were lucky but I doubt it. I still have faith he can undo the damage he did at the combine on his pro day.
If I had to rank them considering what the Saints need out of a LB and the potential value of where we'd be able to pick them (so one LB could be "better" but a similar talent could be had later or fit better so I'd rank them higer) I'd say my rankings would be:
Dawson
Anthony
Kendricks
McKinney
Perryman
Posted on 2/26/15 at 7:26 am to PurpleDrank18
I think we brought in Jeff Ireland because we wanted to have a new perscetive on drafting from him and Parcells. The more I look at the way Ireland and Parcels drafted I think we draft Collins. They held o line in high regards, which they should. So unless something drasticly changes I think we draft Collins
Posted on 2/26/15 at 9:05 am to PurpleDrank18
Well the thing with McKinney is that he's so versatile. People say he's not instinctual but he may have had different responsibilities In his defense he was in.
But I agree with meat, IF Beasley, Fowler and Gregory are gone
But I agree with meat, IF Beasley, Fowler and Gregory are gone
Posted on 2/26/15 at 12:12 pm to WicKed WayZ
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Well the thing with McKinney is that he's so versatile. People say he's not instinctual but he may have had different responsibilities In his defense he was in.
But I agree with meat, IF Beasley, Fowler and Gregory are gone
Posted on 2/26/15 at 12:17 pm to WicKed WayZ
quote:
Well the thing with McKinney is that he's so versatile. People say he's not instinctual but he may have had different responsibilities In his defense he was in.
Versatile doesn't mean much for the Saints. Sure he can play multiple positions but his "strengths" are run support and blitzing, not pass coverage. The complete opposite of what the Saints need in a LB. He just looks stiff and doesn't know where to be quick enough.
Like I said, I think he can be a solid LB, just not what I want for the Saints.
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But I agree with meat, IF Beasley, Fowler and Gregory are gone
Sorry, I didn't understand this last part. If Beasley, Fowler and Gregory are gone, what?
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