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How good would an AD/Asik/Monroe frontcourt be?
Posted on 2/23/15 at 9:43 am
Posted on 2/23/15 at 9:43 am
MM posed this on twitter today
Trading Ryno for Monroe does seem like one of the better value moves we could make with the limited cap space we have available. Can Monroe play well with Asik, or are both too slow?
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Michael McNamara @McNamara247 20 minutes ago
Random thought today - If Pistons know they are gonna lose Monroe, would you do a Monroe (S&T) & Meeks for Ryno & Gordon trade this summer?
Big question with AD-Monroe-Asik trio is if Monroe would be willing to come off bench. He would get more mins & finish games, but not start.
Trading Ryno for Monroe does seem like one of the better value moves we could make with the limited cap space we have available. Can Monroe play well with Asik, or are both too slow?
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Posted on 2/23/15 at 9:44 am to TigerinATL
That would be one of the most painful to watch lineups in NBA history.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 9:45 am to Hester Carries
Just to clarify, I meant as a 3 big rotation, not all at the same time.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 9:49 am to TigerinATL
Asik would have to go.. Too much money for all 3
Posted on 2/23/15 at 9:52 am to TigerinATL
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Big question with AD-Monroe-Asik trio is if Monroe would be willing to come off bench.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 9:53 am to TigerinATL
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Monroe (S&T) & Meeks for Ryno & Gordon
Ummm...Yes please
Posted on 2/23/15 at 9:54 am to Macintosh504
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Asik would have to go.. Too much money for all 3
I agree, I think if you go after Monroe it's because you're moving on from both Ryno and Asik, but McNamara's contention, which may well be right, is that Demps is happy with Asik and wouldn't let him walk. But if he's happy with Asik why wouldn't he be happy with Anderson too? Monty sure seems to be.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 9:55 am to TigerinATL
Interesting idea, but I'd pass. I'd rather save that cap space for a wing player, whether it be this offseason or next. With the cap expected to increase in 2016, and Gordon and Anderson's contract coming off the books then, I'd rather have the cap flexibility. This trade, IMO, is too similar to the Jrue and Tyreke deals that have killed our flexibility so far.
I know it's a big if, but if Gordon can stay relatively healthy for the next year and a half, he's probably worth more to us than what we can get for him in a trade.
I know it's a big if, but if Gordon can stay relatively healthy for the next year and a half, he's probably worth more to us than what we can get for him in a trade.
This post was edited on 2/23/15 at 9:58 am
Posted on 2/23/15 at 10:13 am to mm2316
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I know it's a big if, but if Gordon can stay relatively healthy for the next year and a half, he's probably worth more to us than what we can get for him in a trade.
That's where I stand on this as well.
Although at this point I think I am ready to move on from Ryno.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 10:31 am to TigerinATL
Monroe is going to get a big contract (12M+ a year). Why would you give someone that much money to come off the bench? I'm not a fan of the 3 man rotation either. It looked good at the beginning of the year. But the minutes get tricky and it's constant switching up for match-ups. So no one is getting consistent minutes or a have a defined role (except for Davis).
We just need to find someone that fits next to Davis for 30+ minutes a game. Whether that be a PF or C doesn't really matter. I like the idea of Monroe, cause he's a bit of a hybrid PF/C like Davis. I tend to think that is the best mixture. It gives Davis more freedom and they can alternate, so it gives teams other looks or something to make them adjust. I just don't see how he is gettable now. Detroit has no reason not to max him out now..
We just need to find someone that fits next to Davis for 30+ minutes a game. Whether that be a PF or C doesn't really matter. I like the idea of Monroe, cause he's a bit of a hybrid PF/C like Davis. I tend to think that is the best mixture. It gives Davis more freedom and they can alternate, so it gives teams other looks or something to make them adjust. I just don't see how he is gettable now. Detroit has no reason not to max him out now..
Posted on 2/23/15 at 10:32 am to mm2316
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This trade, IMO, is too similar to the Jrue and Tyreke deals that have killed our flexibility so far.
I think you want flexibility in 2016, just so you can profit from the fallout of KD. That being said, we aren't getting a max guy so only 2 2nd tier 2016 FAs interest me. Batum and Mike Conley (if Jrue is done and Memphis falls off). LINK If we get Conley we'd likely trade Holiday's last year to a bad team with a pick. If we get Batum, we probably only need $12ish in cap space, which we'd have if we moved on from Anderson and Asik in favor of Monroe. So if Monroe is a better long term fit I think you have to take a look at getting him next year.
Holiday/Cole
Gordon/Evans
Batum/Pondexter
AD/?
Monroe/Withey
Posted on 2/23/15 at 10:38 am to brmark70816
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Detroit has no reason not to max him out now..
He is an unrestricted free agent. He can sign wherever he wants. Greg Monroe is from here, you know what that means? He's cold right now (sunny and 5 degrees in Detroit). If he can get similar money from us or Los Angeles, he'd have to have some real warm and fuzzy feelings for the Pistons, which considering the route he took to become a FA, he shouldn't. And I'm not even throwing the current state of Detroit out there. It has to be better than the reports you hear for them to still support multiple sport teams, but it sounds like a dying city and a rich person from the south able to choose where he lives would probably not choose to live there.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 10:43 am to TigerinATL
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It has to be better than the reports you hear for them to still support multiple sport teams, but it sounds like a dying city and a rich person from the south able to choose where he lives would probably not choose to live there
Posted on 2/23/15 at 10:45 am to brgfather129
Seriously, how is the city doing? Because the only time it's on the news is when people are buying houses for $500 or the city is too poor to keep criminals in check. Like I said, if it's supporting multiple sports teams it has to be better than the national news reports we see.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 10:46 am to TigerinATL
This might be difficult to follow, but the Pistons don't play in Detroit. Greg Monroe doesn't live in Detroit.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 10:54 am to TigerinATL
Either AD, Asik or Monroe will be on the bench at the end of games. Can't have that much $$$ sitting on the bench to close out a game.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 10:56 am to brgfather129
I realize my question probably sounds about as stupid to you as people assuming everyone down here has pet alligators. But it's not my fault the only time I hear about Detroit is on the national news, you don't have to be condescending about it when I was asking for enlightenment.
He resides in a cold weather climate during the winter months. I don't think that's a factor that can be dismissed when money and minutes will be similar from competing offers.
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Greg Monroe doesn't live in Detroit.
He resides in a cold weather climate during the winter months. I don't think that's a factor that can be dismissed when money and minutes will be similar from competing offers.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 11:22 am to TigerinATL
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But it's not my fault the only time I hear about Detroit is on the national news, you don't have to be condescending about it when I was asking for enlightenment.
No one forced you to make an argument that Greg Monroe must be looking elsewhere to play, because hey, everyone is miserable living in Detroit.
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He resides in a cold weather climate during the winter months. I don't think that's a factor that can be dismissed when money and minutes will be similar from competing offers
I have no idea whether Monroe is "cold" or not...wanting to return "home" is fair speculation, but Anderson/Gordon for Monroe/Meeks isn't going to blow SVG away...he isn't making that move.
There is nothing certain in the Monroe situation...how it was handled on either side before the season is irrelevant. SVG wasn't going to hand him a contract without knowing if he fit in with what he was trying to do, Monroe wasn't going to ink himself long-term unless SVG proved he could change the culture. The Pistons are playing much better basketball now, which could totally change his perception on re-signing. SVG has found a way to get Drummond and Monroe to fit in together most nights by staggering the minutes, but it isn't necessarily optimal going forward. Now you have Reggie Jackson in the mix, if he shows enough SVG very well may pay him this offseason.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 11:27 am to TigerinATL
Monroe will want too much money. It will end up like another Gordon situation where we have to sign him to a big contract or watch him walk. If we signed him, we'd likely have to get rid of Asik too, so we lose Asik and Ryno to get Monroe and probably end up paying more money for one player than less money for too?
Ehh, unless we are doing a S&T for Cousins or M. Gasol, I think I'll pass.
Ehh, unless we are doing a S&T for Cousins or M. Gasol, I think I'll pass.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 11:34 am to Suntiger
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Monroe will want too much money.
I really love Greg Monroe...other than the past two months he hasn't been in a good basketball spot for his entire career, but he always plays hard and is a class guy. That said, he is a 16/12 player that gets killed defensively in pick-and-roll situations because he has no lateral movement whatsoever. His ability to protect the rim is less than zero, but he is a decent post defender. He has never developed any type of midrange game, everything comes in the paint.
Someone is going to pay him big, but I'm not sure how much I would open up the wallet to keep/acquire him.
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