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Posted on 2/18/15 at 11:49 am to Salviati
I'm not sure people know what "Develop" means.
I hear miles can not develop qb's. People keep spewing this out on these web pages over and over as if it is fact.
1)miles doesn't coach the qb's.
2)Develoment doesn't mean a qb who makes it to the n.f.l. Development means progression, growth, maturation.
Matt flynn progressed and got better, J. lee got better from year one to year four. J. Jefferson got better, Zach M. got better. That is development.
What appears to be lost is the word evaluation. When les or the staff recruits a kid, are they recruiting a kid with pro potential? so far, they have recruited Four. Ryan P, Zach, Harris, and Franks.
If there has been an issue, it's been with evaluating/recruiting a qb with s.e.c. or pro potential. The one's that have not succeeded have been limited in their ability. however, they did get better. Andrew hatch, J lee, J. Jefferson, and Jennings were never going to be all s.e.c. or n.f.l qb's no matter who coached them. They were/are all limited in their ability.
I hear miles can not develop qb's. People keep spewing this out on these web pages over and over as if it is fact.
1)miles doesn't coach the qb's.
2)Develoment doesn't mean a qb who makes it to the n.f.l. Development means progression, growth, maturation.
Matt flynn progressed and got better, J. lee got better from year one to year four. J. Jefferson got better, Zach M. got better. That is development.
What appears to be lost is the word evaluation. When les or the staff recruits a kid, are they recruiting a kid with pro potential? so far, they have recruited Four. Ryan P, Zach, Harris, and Franks.
If there has been an issue, it's been with evaluating/recruiting a qb with s.e.c. or pro potential. The one's that have not succeeded have been limited in their ability. however, they did get better. Andrew hatch, J lee, J. Jefferson, and Jennings were never going to be all s.e.c. or n.f.l qb's no matter who coached them. They were/are all limited in their ability.
Posted on 2/18/15 at 11:50 am to Salviati
Salviati and chilge crushing hoohoo in this thread 
The whole Miles doesn't develop QBs thing is the actual epitome of what is wrong with our fans.
His whole premise, a completely fricking retarded premise at that, in excluding Russell, Flynn, and Mett's obvious development in their time in the program under Miles' watch is that they didn't spend their first year in college under him. Ok.
Yet that fact actually gives clear fricking evidence that the success they achieved in their final year in the program, under Miles, was VASTLY above what they did early in their careers, under different coaches, clearly showing DEVELOPMENT under Miles. Ok.
So out of the FIVE quarterbacks that have finished their careers under Miles, the THREE that showed clear improvement are excluded because they were under different coaches at the beginning of their careers when they did not perform as well as they did at the end of their careers, under Miles. Ok.
So that leaves Jefferson and Lee that he claims did not develop under Miles. Lee unquestionably played better in 2011 than in 2008, so much so that posters of hoohoo's ilk pretend that Lee not playing in The Rematch is the sole reason that we lost and the perfect example of why Miles is so bad at utilizing the QB position.
Which leaves Jefferson. While Jefferson did regress in 2010 after a good 2009 season, he clearly bounced back and was a good quarterback in 2011, until the last two games of the year, one of which was a 30+ point win in the SECCG to give LSU it's first undefeated SEC title since 1958, the other being a Rematch against one of the greatest college defenses of all time after he was a major part of upsetting that same defense on the road four games prior.
But since these idiots have the attention span of a toddler, they forget all of the improvement he displayed before that and write off the entire 2011 season as no development because we lost the last game of the year, to a team we had already beaten.
This just in, Tom Brady had a terrible season in 2007.
I've posted this before, but for all of the "bad QB play" talk we have to deal with around here, it is fun to look back at Miles' 10 years here and actually see how the QBs played:
QB play by year:
Excellent: 2006, 2007, 2013
Good: 2005, 2009, 2011
Average: 2012
Poor: 2008, 2010, 2014
So for all of that talk, 6 of Miles' 10 seasons have had excellent or good QB play, 1 average, and 3 poor, only 1 of which was in the past 4 years.
And of the 1 average and 3 poor years, only ONE was in a season where the QB was not in his first year as a starter in the SEC, 2010, and ALL FOUR of the QBs went on to improve in their final years.
The Rant, folks, loud and proud.
The whole Miles doesn't develop QBs thing is the actual epitome of what is wrong with our fans.
His whole premise, a completely fricking retarded premise at that, in excluding Russell, Flynn, and Mett's obvious development in their time in the program under Miles' watch is that they didn't spend their first year in college under him. Ok.
Yet that fact actually gives clear fricking evidence that the success they achieved in their final year in the program, under Miles, was VASTLY above what they did early in their careers, under different coaches, clearly showing DEVELOPMENT under Miles. Ok.
So out of the FIVE quarterbacks that have finished their careers under Miles, the THREE that showed clear improvement are excluded because they were under different coaches at the beginning of their careers when they did not perform as well as they did at the end of their careers, under Miles. Ok.
So that leaves Jefferson and Lee that he claims did not develop under Miles. Lee unquestionably played better in 2011 than in 2008, so much so that posters of hoohoo's ilk pretend that Lee not playing in The Rematch is the sole reason that we lost and the perfect example of why Miles is so bad at utilizing the QB position.
Which leaves Jefferson. While Jefferson did regress in 2010 after a good 2009 season, he clearly bounced back and was a good quarterback in 2011, until the last two games of the year, one of which was a 30+ point win in the SECCG to give LSU it's first undefeated SEC title since 1958, the other being a Rematch against one of the greatest college defenses of all time after he was a major part of upsetting that same defense on the road four games prior.
But since these idiots have the attention span of a toddler, they forget all of the improvement he displayed before that and write off the entire 2011 season as no development because we lost the last game of the year, to a team we had already beaten.
This just in, Tom Brady had a terrible season in 2007.
I've posted this before, but for all of the "bad QB play" talk we have to deal with around here, it is fun to look back at Miles' 10 years here and actually see how the QBs played:
QB play by year:
Excellent: 2006, 2007, 2013
Good: 2005, 2009, 2011
Average: 2012
Poor: 2008, 2010, 2014
So for all of that talk, 6 of Miles' 10 seasons have had excellent or good QB play, 1 average, and 3 poor, only 1 of which was in the past 4 years.
And of the 1 average and 3 poor years, only ONE was in a season where the QB was not in his first year as a starter in the SEC, 2010, and ALL FOUR of the QBs went on to improve in their final years.
The Rant, folks, loud and proud.
This post was edited on 2/18/15 at 11:58 am
Posted on 2/18/15 at 12:26 pm to dos crystal
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If there has been an issue, it's been with evaluating/recruiting a qb with s.e.c. or pro potential.
Agree. QB evaluation under Crowton/Miles has been terrible. It appears that Cameron is remedying this. Harris, Franks, and Dinkelmann appear to be a great line of succession for the foreseeable future.
Posted on 2/18/15 at 12:48 pm to chilge1
Deal with the immediate future right now, brah! Save the futuristic QB stuff. The jury is still out on Cameron. He has to do some of his best coaching right now with turning Jennings around. And a lot of that has to do with letting both Jennings and Harris play the game and stop the conservative bullshite.
Posted on 2/18/15 at 12:53 pm to tubucoco
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Deal with the immediate future right now, brah! Save the futuristic QB stuff.
It's February, homie. All we have is futuristic QB stuff.
Posted on 2/18/15 at 1:01 pm to chilge1
You are talkin about kids that aren't even there. You don't know how they will turn out. Look at Jennings right now. I didn't think he would be that bad. Cameron needs to do his grooming act full time right now to get this kid right!
Posted on 2/18/15 at 1:07 pm to tubucoco
That's your issue if you didn't look at a true sophomore QB, two true freshman WRs, a redshirt sophomore WR, redshirt freshman TE, and predict a struggle.
Posted on 2/18/15 at 3:07 pm to chilge1
Oh sure, blame it on that. Excuses, excuses is what you people are good at. Other schools start freshman players right away and they do well. It's starts with the coaching, brah. If you let these kids play ball instead of holdin them back with retarded play callin you get results like this. But I'm sure you'll come up with something else out of your arse!
This post was edited on 2/18/15 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 2/18/15 at 3:47 pm to tubucoco
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Other schools start freshman players right away and they do well
Can you link me to any power 5 team that started majority freshman and sophomores at skill positions who lit the world on fire considering you say it happens so much?
Posted on 2/18/15 at 3:57 pm to crookedicat
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Mett was an NFL bound QB when he got here period.
Ya know based on stats alone, I disagreed with you. But after doing some digging, I kinda see where one could make this argument, even though I seriously doubt you dug into the numbers to come up with your opinion.
Anyways, I was surprised at how good Mett actually was his junior year. I don't think he was NFL ready, but he had a damn good year.
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JUNIOR SEASON (2012)
Started all 13 games as a junior, leading LSU to a 10-3 overall mark and to three wins over Top 25 teams … Threw for 2,609 yards and 12 TDs on 207-of-352 passing … Threw just seven interceptions all year … His 50:1 ratio of passes to interceptions rates as the best for a single-season in school history for quarterbacks with at least 300 attempts … His 2,609 passing yards ranks as the fifth-highest total in school history … Ranked No. 5 in LSU history in completions in a season (207) and No.4 in attempts (352) … Capped regular-season by throwing for 200 or more yards in four straight games, including three straight SEC games (298 vs. Alabama, 273 vs. Mississippi State, 282 vs. Ole Miss) … Streak of consecutive 200-yard games was snapped vs. Clemson in Chick-fil-A Bowl as he threw for 120 yards and a TD on 14-of-23 passing … Became the first LSU quarterback with three-straight games with 250 or more passing yards against SEC opponents since Tommy Hodson did it in 1989 against Kentucky (283), Tennessee (438) and Ole Miss (381) … Had two games of 20 or more completions (24 vs. Alabama, 22 vs. Ole Miss) ... Threw for 200 or more yards a total of six times, including career-best 298 vs. No. 1 Alabama (I knew this, but thouht it was bold-worthy given he did this his junior year) … Had best game as a Tiger in near upset of top-ranked Alabama with then career highs of yards (298) and completions (24) … Connected on 24-of-35 passes for Crimson Tide as LSU’s offense racked up 435 total yards (298 passing, 172 rushing) … Wrapped up the regular season with at Arkansas by going 16-29 for 217 yards and one TD in 20-13 road win over Razorbacks … Completed 22-of-37 passes for 282 yards and two interceptions in 41-35 win over Ole Miss in home finale … Against Ole Miss and with the score tied at 35-35, directed LSU on a 9-play, 64-yard game-winning drive, capped with a 1-yard TD run by Jeremy Hill with 15 seconds left … Saw his streak of 130 consecutive passes without an interception come to an end against Ole Miss, but that streak ranks third in LSU history … Threw for 273 yards and two touchdowns on 19-of-30 passing against Mississippi State ... Fired a 19-yard TD pass to Jarvis Landry and a 20-yard TD pass to Spencer Ware against the Bulldogs ... His 298 passing yards and 24 completions against Alabama represent the most by an LSU quarterback in an SEC game since Matt Flynn threw for 353 yards on 24 completions against Alabama in 2007 ... Completed 11-of-29 passes for 97 yards and one 29-yard TD to Kadron Boone as he rallied LSU from a 12-0 deficit to beat Texas A&M in College Station … Finished 12-of-25 for 148 yards and one interception in 23-21 win over No. 3 South Carolina … Completed 11-25 passes for 158 yards and one INT at Florida ... Threw for then career-high 238 yards on 15-of-26 passing with two touchdowns against Towson ... Finished 15-of-27 for 169 yards in road win over Auburn in what was his first SEC start … Registered his first multi-touchdown game of his LSU career, finishing 17-of-22 for 222 yards, two TDs and one interception against Idaho ... Completed 12-of-18 passes for 195 yards and a touchdown against Washington ... Made his first career start for LSU against North Texas and finished 19-of-26 for 192 yards with one touchdown and one interception ... The 19 completions are the second most by an LSU quarterback making his first start dating back to 1980.
I mean, he had a pretty good year. Had a couple head-scrather games, but overall a year that resulted in his name being in LSU history books multiple times.
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SOPHOMORE SEASON (2011)
Played in five games with no starts … Completed 8-of-11 passes for 92 yards and his first career touchdown on a 19-yard strike to Kadron Boone against Northwestern State … Ran 25 yards on a bootleg down to the one-yard line at Ole Miss ... Entered late against Auburn, West Virginia, and Kentucky and did not attempt a pass as the team ran out the clock.
kinda makes you wonder if he should have just been the starter the second he put on pads. I mean he went bizerk in JUCO.
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PRIOR TO LSU
Originally signed with Georgia out of high school ... Spent one year at Georgia before transferring to Butler (Kan.) Community College for the 2010 season ... Did not see any game action at Georgia ... Played one season at Butler Community College leading him team to an 11-1 record and a berth in the JUCO National Championship Game ... His team finished year ranked No. 2 in the nation ... Started all 12 games at Butler, throwing for 2,678 yards and 32 touchdowns with only four interceptions ... Connected on 176-of-299 passes for a 58.9 completion percentage ... Rated as the top-ranked junior college quarterback for the 2011 class by multiple recruiting services ... Listed at No. 17 on the Rivals.com JUCO Top 50 ... Coached at Butler Community College by Troy Morrell.
LINK
This post was edited on 2/18/15 at 4:03 pm
Posted on 2/18/15 at 6:13 pm to Mike Linebacker
Fyi, Ponamsky just said on 104.5 that Patterson was set to commit to LSU at a camp until he practiced along side Franks who was at the same camp and was already committed. There was no talk of him coming to LSU after that camp. Patterson didn't want to compete with Franks. LSU has the better prospect and the better fit for LSU committed.
Posted on 2/18/15 at 6:24 pm to BeeFense5
You fools continue to make excuses when it's obvious the coaching is not up to par. You wanna cry about these kids being young and all that shite. LSU is a school that gets top notch recruits every season just like the Bamas, Auburn's, Georgia's or any top SEC school.
Dak Prescott was effective immediately in MSU's system. Nick Marshall was a got damn WR/CB before switching to QB in Auburn's system. Speedy Noil was effective right away in aTm system as well as unknown Kenny Hill. It's the type of system you run that develops these young players and right now nobody knows what the hell LSU is running. Are they a power team if so then why keep recruiting all these top receivers and wasting their skills as well as frustrating them?? Or are they a more wide open offense that will incorporate the passing game effectively with the running?? Right now I can't tell. Until then you clowns need to STFU!
Dak Prescott was effective immediately in MSU's system. Nick Marshall was a got damn WR/CB before switching to QB in Auburn's system. Speedy Noil was effective right away in aTm system as well as unknown Kenny Hill. It's the type of system you run that develops these young players and right now nobody knows what the hell LSU is running. Are they a power team if so then why keep recruiting all these top receivers and wasting their skills as well as frustrating them?? Or are they a more wide open offense that will incorporate the passing game effectively with the running?? Right now I can't tell. Until then you clowns need to STFU!
This post was edited on 2/18/15 at 6:54 pm
Posted on 2/18/15 at 6:30 pm to tubucoco
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And a lot of that has to do with letting both Jennings and Harris play the game and stop the conservative bull shite.
It has been a problem at LSU for some time now and Cam was supposed to come in and change this. So far it hasn't gone well but I think he is capable of and will change. However recruits only see what he has done so far, and it isn't pretty. If Shea watched a LSU game and saw what they do with their QB's and then watched an Ole Miss game, it's not hard to see why he chose Ole Miss. You have to let the QB's play, otherwise they never get out of their shell, then we blame our QB's year after year for THEIR bad play when the reality of the situation is that it is the coaching staffs decisions that crush our QB play and development. I can see why Shea wanted no part of that. Luckily Felipe Franks is a different kind of cat and Cam/Miles probably sold him on the future of this offense going in a more modern and open direction.
This post was edited on 2/18/15 at 6:33 pm
Posted on 2/18/15 at 6:32 pm to RATeamWannabe
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I dont even like Cam and I cant deny the obvious progression that Mett made while he was here.
Holy hand grenade, you must be kidding
Lets just completely act like Mett wasnt going to start over Aaron Murray as a freshman, or the fact that in his first year as a QB, he led his team to the natl championship game!
What I saw was Mett, like ever other QB, regressed under Miles, and was only unleashed when Miles arse was on the line, exactly like Lee in 2011
Posted on 2/18/15 at 6:43 pm to boxcar willie
Exactly! shite, the Franks kid will come there and they'll have him looking like shite with the bullshite they run. I guarantee you if Harris had went to Auburn Malzahn would have found a way to get him on the field even though Marshall was the QB. And Harris would have looked completely different in their offense.
This post was edited on 2/18/15 at 6:45 pm
Posted on 2/18/15 at 7:07 pm to League Champs
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What I saw was Mett, like ever other QB, regressed under Miles,
Well no one should ever confuse you for someone that knows football. You clearly don't know much about the sport with a moronic statement like this that has no factual backing.
Posted on 2/18/15 at 7:08 pm to tubucoco
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I guarantee you if Harris had went to Auburn Malzahn would have found a way to get him on the field even though Marshall was the QB
Based on what exactly?
Some of you are so fricking retarded that it's hard to take anything you say seriously.
Posted on 2/18/15 at 7:13 pm to tubucoco
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Dak Prescott was effective immediately in MSU's system
As a freshman, Dak Prescott attempted 29 passes... and in 2013 posted passing numbers similar to Jennings's 2014 season.
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Nick Marshall was a got damn WR/CB before switching to QB in Auburn's system
Nick Marshall was a quarterback in both high school and JUCO.
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Speedy Noil was effective right away in aTm system as well as unknown Kenny Hill.
Speedy Noil is a WR, which is absolutely not relevant, and Kenny Hill was benched because he couldn't perform in conference play.
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Are they a power team if so then why keep recruiting all these top receivers and wasting their skills as well as frustrating them
Yeah, because LSU was the death of the THREE draft-eligible WRs that LSU sent to the NFL last year.
Posted on 2/18/15 at 7:25 pm to League Champs
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Lets just completely act like Mett wasnt going to start over Aaron Murray as a freshman
Mett was running the 2nd team offense while Murray was running the first. Richt knew that Mett may face disciplinary action, and as a result, he was never given a real shot at the starting job.
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in his first year as a QB, he led his team to the natl championship game!
... in community college.
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What I saw was Mett, like ever other QB, regressed under Miles
So since Mett only played for one year prior to being "unleashed" in 2013, you're saying that he regressed between his first game of 2012 and his last?
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