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re: XDS .45 3.3 CC options
Posted on 2/16/15 at 1:39 pm to Ice Cream Sammich
Posted on 2/16/15 at 1:39 pm to Ice Cream Sammich
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8 rounds of 45ACP is less effective than 9 rounds of 9mm?
Yes. When my round count is that low and I'm not carrying extra mags like an officer (although I could if I wanted) I think every round is important.
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Weight has been proven to be minimal, possibly even in the 45s advantage, in this application.
The potential difference in the 9mm's effect on a target versus .45 ACP is minimal. I will take that minimal disadvantage for a higher round count.
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Now, in your defense, if a person is uncomfortable carrying a 45, then don't carry it. A carry gun is only useful if you carry it.
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But some guys just feel better with the bigger bores. Besides the fact that it will make your carry gun much heavier (45 weighs about twice what 9mm does) it'll still get the job done.
And your statements about the NYPD back up my line of thinking even more.
But I have zero problems with a person carrying what they want to carry. Just that my own personal preference for carry is 9mm.
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Posted on 2/16/15 at 1:41 pm to Ice Cream Sammich
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The NYPD has more training than 90% of Americans.
I would like to point out that while they do have more training than 90% of Americans that that threshold is extremely small.
If someone went and punched paper for one day to meet "qualifications" that officers are required to go through, that percentage gets tremendously smaller.
I would imagine that most of the pistol shooters on the OB could outshoot 75% of the officers in BR.
Posted on 2/16/15 at 2:21 pm to tx_cajun
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My xds .45 carries 8 rounds.
Are you using an extended mag?
Posted on 2/16/15 at 3:11 pm to bapple
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The potential difference in the 9mm's effect on a target versus .45 ACP is minimal. I will take that minimal disadvantage for a higher round count.
That is perfectly fair and a fine opinion. At what point do you say, I have enough capacity, let me carry a better round now? Meaning, you could easily carry another mag of 45, but you think 9 rounds of 9mm is better, or at 10 rounds, do you switch to a better caliber? Just wondering.
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And your statements about the NYPD back up my line of thinking even more.
I am fully aware of that. I am not above arguing both sides of a discussion. There is no right or wrong in this. I do, however, believe that saying one carries a 9mm for weight savings misunderstands the full picture.
Posted on 2/16/15 at 3:13 pm to TigerOnThe Hill
Of course he is. My second mag is 7 rounds. So he probably uses it as a primary magazine plus 1.
Posted on 2/16/15 at 3:34 pm to bapple
Bapple I understand your thinking but that argument could be used just as easily for the Keltec PMR30.
While larger than the 9MM XDS, the PMR-30 brings THIRTY rounds of .22 mag (a VERY effective round)with a locked and loaded weight of 19.6 oz.vs the XDS 9mm locked and loaded at 25.7 oz with 9 rounds.
I mean if we are talking throwing rounds at a perp... 30 .22mag beats 9 9mm every day of the week and twice on Sunday!
Not to mention the flame out of a PMR30 will probably cause them a coronary on the sight , thus eliminating the necessity of multiple hits anyhow.
While larger than the 9MM XDS, the PMR-30 brings THIRTY rounds of .22 mag (a VERY effective round)with a locked and loaded weight of 19.6 oz.vs the XDS 9mm locked and loaded at 25.7 oz with 9 rounds.
I mean if we are talking throwing rounds at a perp... 30 .22mag beats 9 9mm every day of the week and twice on Sunday!
Not to mention the flame out of a PMR30 will probably cause them a coronary on the sight , thus eliminating the necessity of multiple hits anyhow.
This post was edited on 2/16/15 at 3:35 pm
Posted on 2/16/15 at 3:36 pm to AUTimbo
BTW..I'm in the .45 camp also, which is why I carry the XDS in .45.
Posted on 2/16/15 at 4:05 pm to auburngrad2005
I use an aliengear 2.0 for IWB glock 42, extremely comfortable and hardly notice it there. I also use an aliengear original IWB for my glock 23, while not as soft as the 2.0 version, I would get the newer version but I find myself with the g42 more as my EDC. When it's colder and I can CC OWB I use a serpa sportster for my g23 which works great.
Letfy here also
Letfy here also
Posted on 2/16/15 at 4:48 pm to TigerOnThe Hill
Yes i use the extended mags. It fits my hand much better and I get two extra rounds.
Posted on 2/16/15 at 9:51 pm to Ice Cream Sammich
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Meaning, you could easily carry another mag of 45, but you think 9 rounds of 9mm is better, or at 10 rounds, do you switch to a better caliber?
If specifically talking service calibers (9, 40, 45) I think all of them are just about equal in terms of "power" and effectiveness. I feel that a comparably effective 9mm beats out a comparably effective 45 because you can put two of them on the same target quicker. This may not be the case for everyone, but for me I'm quicker with 9mm.
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I do, however, believe that saying one carries a 9mm for weight savings misunderstands the full picture.
In some other guns it has more of an effect than it does with the XDs. But I agree with you that there's more to it.
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While larger than the 9MM XDS, the PMR-30 brings THIRTY rounds of .22 mag (a VERY effective round)with a locked and loaded weight of 19.6 oz.vs the XDS 9mm locked and loaded at 25.7 oz with 9 rounds.
Out of a pistol barrel, a 22 magnum isn't really all that effective. The reason there is a giant muzzle blast is because the powder does not completely burn so the bullet is not at it's highest potential velocity.
Plus, like I've stated before, I don't like rimfire ammunition for self defense. Some may consider it a ridiculous position to have, but I feel I trust my life more with a centerfire round.
But I will agree with you that can put multiple 22 magnum rounds out quicker than any centerfire cartridge. In that realm, it may be pretty effective. But I don't like the weaker recoil spring, the rimmed cartridges, and the rimfire ignition. Those turn me off to it.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 12:20 am to tx_cajun
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Yes i use the extended mags.
That's what I thought.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 12:26 am to bapple
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the PMR-30 brings THIRTY rounds of .22 mag (a VERY effective round)
Uh, no it's not....
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Out of a pistol barrel, a 22 magnum isn't really all that effective.
Correct.
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I don't like rimfire ammunition for self defense.
Me neither, especially since there are a LARGE number of very effective and reliable SD rounds available. A friend went squirrel hunting w/ me a couple weeks ago and had 4 or 5 misfires w/ his 22 rifle. That reaffirmed my avoidance of rimfires for SD (except as a gun of last resort).
Posted on 2/17/15 at 4:24 am to TigerOnThe Hill
Kee@rmholsters.com
Email this guy. Gordon Hutchinson referred him to me a long time ago. He will custom make you a very nice one piece kydex holster, top quality, for 60 bucks.
I have one for my XDS 45 that i carry 24/7, and one for my SR9.
Hell, you can even drop by and look at mine if you like. It's a VERY nice holster, and after a week, you never know it's there. That was important to me. The clip can also slide over a belt or your athletic pants, so it's super versatile.
Email this guy. Gordon Hutchinson referred him to me a long time ago. He will custom make you a very nice one piece kydex holster, top quality, for 60 bucks.
I have one for my XDS 45 that i carry 24/7, and one for my SR9.
Hell, you can even drop by and look at mine if you like. It's a VERY nice holster, and after a week, you never know it's there. That was important to me. The clip can also slide over a belt or your athletic pants, so it's super versatile.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 10:55 am to auburngrad2005
I carry the exact same pistol in an alien gear inside waistband holster.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 11:16 am to TigerOnThe Hill
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(except as a gun of last resort).
I'll take a club for last resort if it's all I've got. Agreed.
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